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Thank God I didn't vote for this dude in 2024, it's not my problem :)

lmao this is exactly like DEI - we don't have an equal amount of w*men in a job, so it must have been unfair so let's get a quota

Well it is my problem but it's not something I can be blamed for, rather

Exact amount of those tarrifs is irrelevant, they just need to be high enough to coerce enough countries to sign up into new world order(i.e. peg their currencies to dollar in exchange for merket access and military protection)

>>25773127 He has rational goal(reindustrialize usa so china doesnt become dominant in militarynsense), but its not clear if its possible to reindustrialize, usa might be too addicted to cheap money flowing from abroad

>>25773156 I don't know I don't trust him for reasons but they're typically not the main libtard reasons.

>>25773168 Oh average usanian is gonna suffer alright But thismis something that has to be done if usa is to remain a superpower for the next 50 years

>>25773146 still a bit weird rationale for selecting the tariff rate btw, do you guys notice that the US rate is this measure divided by 2?

>>25773146 The problem is calling something for something else for propaganda >>25773195 Yes

> we can't compete on the market, so we would manipulate it on international level because that's how capitalism works and that's le good thing

>>25773223 el abominacion...

>>25773127 should've voted for camala, everything would be different then it's because of the likes of you we can't have nice things

That's industrialization by import substitution and it's the basic of any industrial policy. It used to be good enough in the 19th century. But we live in a globalized era where this isn't enough anymore. Asian tigers complemented it by doing a careful study of potential export-oriented high tech industries that the country can invest on.

>>25773260 Non-protected industries in those countries performed fine during the time they tried protectionism, also they generally only put up heavyhanded policies for a few years before walking back. Korea and Taiwan have both spent much longer being open to trade than protectionist.

>>25773278 Modern industries are a product of state intervention and they do not exist without state help. The industrial revolution was a political and bureaucratic revolution, not an economic or technological one. The british state learned to intertwine industries with state interests and national finances better than any other. Japan went from an industrial marvel to a stagnant economy as soon as they abandoned industrial policy int he 80s and 90s. Every country that abandoned industrial policy deindustrialized, even the mega hegemon America. The thing is that is industries were meant for war. Nationalist countries that industrialized in the 19th century were doing so because of nation-state competition and even war among one another. So they were willing to support their respective industries for as long as necessary to support their sovereignty or even existence. You can still see this happening in contested regions like Israel and Turkey. The thing with Asian tigers is that they rose in an era of murkan globalization and hegemony. The world was stable and there was plenty of resources in the international market, no need for nationalism and imperialism. Murka gave them protection against foreign enemies, but they still had to deal with internal threats, mainly socialist and commie movements. So murka gave them a leg up to develop economically and their give people good life, thus lessening the popularity of such left wing movements. Export-oriented industrialization allowed these countries to import a lot of stuff while still keeping a trade balance. This gave their people jobs while also giving them good international purchase power. Read this book.

>>25773223 Send him to Batlics. Bog hag needs more sacrifices since 3 of 4 were taken away

>>25773156 to reindustrialize the nation he needs a new education system american education system is a total farce 20% of school graduates can only write their name, 10% do not graduate school at all, and that's not counting the illegals MIT graduates don't know basic math Berkley engineering graduates can't light a bulb with a wire and a battery it's nothing but an I LOVE SCIENCE soy gobbling party so no wonder most states want illegals to come, the worst double digit iq nigger would be no more retarded than le red blooded ameriwhite in 70's they had american journo visit USSR to document the life of local school students, turned out that the Russians were actually studying in school, while ameriwhite schools were mostly about socialization, dances and teenage sex this whipped them into shape for a couple of decades, but then everything returned to back to their natural parameters especially since with their monologic narcissism they can't hear anyone over their lard ass cheecks clogging their ears when they're on a high mobility scooter (or a high chair?), so they never take a good advice from anyone

>>25773260 Yes but they were always used in underdeveloped countries, not the most powerful country in the world whose economy lives in easy mode and already harvested all the benefits of protectionism long ago

>>25773403 I think you ate too much propaganda American higher education is the best in the world

>>25773247 It wouldn't have mattered for me atleast because I don't live in a swing state.

>>25773419 american higher education is the reason they have replication crisis, because it's measured in papers, so they push out anything a printer can technically shit out

>>25773278 >Korea and Taiwan have both spent much longer being open to trade than protectionist. Not really, only in the 90s they started really opening up >>25773392 You are correct sir >>25773403 >>25773438 U are retarded sir

>>25773392 >Modern industries are a product of state intervention and they do not exist without state help. Nope, the government's only contribution comes in education and state-funded research, state enterprises are notoriously terrible. >The industrial revolution Happened in the stone age at a time of IQ89 economics with constant recessions. >The british state learned to intertwine industries with state interests and national finances Resulting in idiotic colonialism to try to benefit their businesses but which lead to them spending more money maintaining their colonial empire than what they made, read Jacob Viner. >Japan went from an industrial marvel to a stagnant economy as soon as they abandoned industrial policy int he 80s and 90s Wrong, they experienced a credit crunch which was clearly building up in the '80s, industrial policy has nothing to do with it and their industry hasn't gone anywhere since then.

>>25773430 silence is violence you're literally killing people by not being a good registered voter (which is not a party member, but still counts as a democracy/republic/whatever)

>>25773453 > state intervention replaces education

>>25773438 If america has replication crisis then chinese or russian research is literally nothing but complete made up bullshit

>>25773469 He wasn't talking only about state owned companies Asian countries like Japan, China and Korea had a very close realtionship between economic policy and its main industry, almost like two branches of the same goverment

>>25773553 And by industry I mean the huge family conglomerates, like Mitsubishi, Samsung and etc

>>25773489 I didn't imy that, you are retarded becuz this >>25773419

>>25773553 Korea spent comparatively little time asa protectionigger country, they slashed tariffs quite a bit starting in the '70s. Find me any protectionist today saying they just want some 6-year period of high tariffs before cutting back and favoring free trade for decades subsequently.

>>25773553 Also reminder that Korea had a trade DEFICIT until 1986, well after they liberalized.

>>25773583 They began liberalization in the 80s but only really became a low restrictions country in the 90s

>>25773583 You can search for "the rise and decline of developmentism in South korea", it was a good paper about this

>>25773647 Their average tariff rate in 1977 was 9% which was quite low for a developing country at the time. And at any rate, they used highly specific targeted protectionist measures for that time no the apeshit "tariff everything willy nilly :DDDD" crap that protectionists today support in practice.

>>25773102 >Trump's "tariffs" list is just the commercial deficit so what? it's quite fair.

>>25773407 That's the question after it all: how can a high tech hegemon with world currency reindustrialize itself? They can't not try. China is doing it and catching up fast.

>>25773762 Honestly her economic policy was kinda shit too but at least it wasn't pure chaos.

>>25773718 I don't know about their tariff rates but they had total control on import restrictions. They would arbitrarily ban or restrict the kinds of imports they considered damaging to their industries. And that happened way into the 90s

>>25773762 that was trump saying he would put tariffs on people with a trade deficit with USA

>>25773778 It was pure chaos. This lady fell out of a coconut tree. You just forgot about all the crazy shit she said.

>>25773499 also mox fuel, graphene, hypersonic missiles, oreshnik, rn-series engines, ISS core with all the life support systems, isotopes for all the mars missions RITEGs, RITEGs, nuclear icebreakers, largest amount of MRI (basic scans for free for all citizens, who have a prescribtion), titanium welding (allows us to have largest submarines), hybrid cars i won't call it a positive thing or something really new, but commies invented ukraine and latvia there too

>>25773499 although you are right, they're completely made up bullshit

>>25773571 > has USAIDS spending 41.5 billion USD annually on propaganda > you have too much propaganda

>>25773762 oh no, if only we would vote for her, everything would change immediately, everything would be different

>>25773778 her economic policy was totally different and great, she would change everything for the better

>>25773854 Why are the Trump fans so utterly retarded?

If organe man wants cheap labor back in the US, he first needs to make USA a third world shithole. Maybe it's working already. https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/25/business/florida-child-labor-laws/index.html

>>25773843 Rashka pls

Did Trump explain why no Tariffs on Russia?

>>25774000 already sanctioned to hell is the official answer, also he probably wants to preserve some leverage for piss talks

>>25774000 Yes, Russia is under sanctions and trade with it banned.

>>25774014 The penguins getting tariffed are also not trading anything, you shouldn't accept this discrimination and demand to also be given your own beautiful tariffs!

>>25774157 All russian patriots are dreaming about US actually stopping the oil trade (not just forcing to change the sticker to "indian oil") and deporting or jailing all russian oligarch kids living in wectern countries. Russia would flourish immensely. But we only got like 4 months glimpse of it in 2022 before they backpedaled on that.

>>25774190 Do you think if they hurt enough Russian oligarchs they might turn on Pooptin?

>>25774203 No, the point is they (Putin included) would have to develop Russia to new heights instead of transferring all the money into foreign assets. If anybody didn't like that, they would rather escape into some non-hostile country instead of betting their life against tsar's.

=HAHAHAHA== THAT'S SO DUMB AND RETARDED! XDDDD anyway eurosissies, enjoy the 20%

>>25773141 >peg their currencies to dollar in exchange for merket access and military protection) That doesn't make any sense. Fixed exchange rates was Bretton Woods 1.0. A fixed exchange rate regime wouldn't benefit America today like it didn't benefit them in 1971. Commie countries like China could lower their prices fine and outcompete America in a fixed exchange rate world, American business can't or won't lower prices >>25773156 >He has rational goal(reindustrialize usa so china doesnt become dominant in militarynsense) America does have a big military-industrial complex right now actually. Trump wants to run trade surpluses with everyone by exporting stuff like F-150's and soy. That's the nuts idea