>>25754301 go for some easier language. Python, Ruby, Golang even Javascript/Typescript. t. expert

You got bullied rightfully, retard. programming is super easy

>>25754321 I will try

>>25754337 Only for people with superior IQ

try 6502 assembly

post rare sufferswedes

Just ask some ai shit to do it for you That's how all the pajeets program these days anyway Follow the poos

>>25754321 None of those are easier.

Why is C a low level language when its so hard to learn?

>>25754450 "Low level" means "close to the machine". A language made to be convenient for the machine. C is one of the easier languages, there isn't much to it: its entire feature set and some more is included in e.g. the horrid languages >>25754321 suggested, so that's really not going to help you if you can't do that much.

>>25754467 So you are basically saying that i should learn how to C

>>25754482 I know you won't try so there's no point in figuring out whether you should.

You make this thread every fucking months and it's always the same. Have you learned what booleans are yet? Have you learnt how conditions work? Have you settled on an easy language to learn? (not c)

>>25754487 Last time i was learning i was fucking trying constantly

>>25754493 No to all

Nigga you don't just learn a language and get job. It's not as simple as that in 2025.

My redemption arc is coming. I will become a programmer and learn C

>>25754301 >My life is shit because i dont know how to programming. I hate my life same

I will read these from start to finish. If im not a C programmer at the end i give up

Great, you niggers tricked him into trying and failing to learn C again. Learn something easier.

>>25754517 You won't. If you want to get started anyway, you should start with an easier language because pointer arithmetic and manual memory management is complicated. Even types are complicated. In the C thread >>25746120 you had trouble understanding that a pointer is a separate type. How about you start with Ruby? https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ Back in the day people didn't write C and assembly right away either. There was Basic, Pascal, Fortran, Smalltalk and other languages no one remembers. You should first learn the fundamentals. Start making programs instead of making threads on KC.

>>25754553 Dont forget to do all the exercises

Install Cursor( https://www.cursor.com/ ) and learn Python. Ask him to explain every line and general flow

Sweet prince

>>25754590 But c is the simplest language you couod learn(excepting assembler languages)

>>25754590 That is not me in that thread. I will look for Ruby books. I will learn full time all day every day untili make it.

>>25754613 It's simple to make a primitive compiler for. Not simple to reason about.

>>25754553 >I will read these from start to finish. If im not a C programmer at the end i give up It's very hard, retard. Why do you follow the advice of literal pedophiles who make fun of you?

>>25754553 I have the king book. The coolest part for me was using structs inside a union to quickly parse data but the output depends on wether your cpu is big endian or little endian. better to use shift operator I think.

>>25754624 Newbies dont reason about their programs They dont see the need for it And actual reasoning(aka rust programming) is not practical

>>25754630 What should i learn then?

>>25754321 OP has even tried JS I think, he's just super fucking stupid, gorilla nigger from burkina faso tire stupid

>>25754640 I have only tried C

>>25754590 >pointer arithmetic and manual memory management is complicated. Even types are complicated. Most complicated programming language ever according to KC: >get thing for me >get the next thing for me <I need resource <I no longer need resource >I have a screwdriver, a cable cutter, and a ruler >I'll create a toolbox containing a screwdriver, a cable cutter, and a ruler

>>25754646 Difficulty lies in communicating those notions between different parts of lors program

I want to learn COBOL aswell

>>25754639 Something simple like Python or Javascript with many content and resources available. If one book or video doesn't work for you, try something else, but don't stop learning. If you want to, you can switch to C

>>25754655 *later

>>25754655 Will C become easier after learning python?

>>25754623 You don't need a Ruby book. You have web browser. In fact, you are using one right now! You download Ruby from the website and start this video tutorial. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSwq_lcCs78&list=PL3mtAHT_eRex2wgl-cYdKcYoYcLNK7J8A&index=2 You can use any text editor, you don't need to have what he has. >>25754636 He needs to understand the very basics. Variables, functions, conditions, loops, etc. or he'll get nowhere.

>>25754495 You know what, I believe in you Swedish Bernd. I'm learning C right now myself. You can do it.

>>25754657 Yes, but you must learn how the Operating System and computers work.

>>25754660 Pointers is the most important part of learning, pointers actually bring physical machine in contact with your code whichnis very important to understand

Okay so python,javascript,ruby and cobol. Got it

>>25754685 Shit advice Do this instead

>>25754670 >Pointers is the most important part of learning No. >pointers actually bring physical machine in contact with your code No they don't. Paging exists. They do not point to actual fixed locations on your RAM in your motherboard.

I've been meaning to comment in this thread for 15 minutes, but it would be a waste of my time. Closing this tab now.

>>25754696 Paging is 2 years down the line for him idiot

>>25754695 He won't do anything.

>>25754702 Reality.

>>25754670 They're just references, anyone who doesn't understand that is either not a programmer or spreading FUD without learning C. Machine pointers are significantly different from C pointers, like the fact that they're typically integers, stuff like some bits being ignored on some machines like the 8086, being given meaning like e.g. bypassing the cache if a bit is set in the Nintendo DS, etc. C pointers are as much of an abstraction as Rust references or Lisp lists.

>>25754702 Thats where you're wro ng. I have low battery but tomorrow my life starts

>>25754702 Thats where you're wrong. I have low battery but tomorrow my life starts

>>25754707 If that were true, why would cpp have both references and pointers

The ukranian said embedded pays better and there's less competition with poos. Learn MIPS assembly. Its instruction set is easy and you'll learn the basics of how computers and code interact. C is one level of abstraction higher. If you know what's going on behind the scenes you can write more efficient code. >>25754715 battery will be low tomorrow too because you're fet. and the next day, and the next day....

Soon i will employ my skills as a cobol mastermind at a tech 500 company

>>25754717 Maybe you should learn cpp and find out nigger

>>25754715 your life will never start then...

>>25754728 I know the answer

>>25754721 What the fuck is a mips assembly? I have to do lots of research tomorrow. Tomorrow i will begin the journey.

>>25754721 >The ukranian said embedded pays better and there's less competition with poos. Is this Ukrainian in the thread with us? Yesterday, I communicated with Grok, and he said it's true.

>>25754741 You either focus on the Ruby tutorial or we'll be having the same thread again next month.

>>25754744 I will do the ruby youtube tutorial as soon as i wake up tomorrow

>>25754750 >I will do the ruby youtube tutorial as soon as i wake up tomorrow Nice. Deus vult! If you don't like one tutorial, book, or video, try another one.

>>25754321 Whats golang? Typescript sounds hard

>>25754776 https://go.dev It has pointers and is harder than Python, but maybe easier than C

>>25754776 A C like language. If you fail at C, you'll fail at Go. Stick to the plan. Learn the Ruby. >>25754764 >If you don't like one tutorial, book, or video, try another one. His biggest issue right now is not being able to stick to a thing that is actually achievable from his current standpoint.

>>25754790 Don't lie to him. It's at least as complicated as C.

>>25754791 And receiving bad advice like being told to watch youtube videos by you. Videos are entirely unsuitable for learning programming.

>>25754797 He's a monkey who is repelled by reading. Youtube videos like these slowly explaining the absolute basics to someone who doesn't know dogshit don't seem bad.

>>25754796 >It's at least as complicated as C. Ok, sorry. I added maybe. At least it had some rigid type structure with type fuckery like in typescript and tooling is better.

>>25754721 that's surprising, here embedded pays very little compared to how much harder it is to learn compared to higher level stuff

At least you still have legs

Jesus fuckin Christ. Don't take advice from fucking KC. Get certificates and apply for anything you can. No one will hire you as a junior dev in 2025 without a bunch of experience, which is impossible to get.

Start with downloading an IDE if you're on windows https://www.codeblocks.org/downloads/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/ (gcc compiler) Then do pratice problems from the king book. It's fun stop being gay.

>>25754839 Yes, and no one will even give him a chance at leet code tests when they see he has 0 months of experience.

>>25754830 >>25754839 >>25754850 He will neither get certs or learn C when he doesn't know how to write a batch script.

Why C you fucker, learn java or c# and get a job. Fuck you.

>>25754859 Forgot my säge.

>>25754853 Batch scripts are hard tho

>>25754853 Even if he learns how to write a batch script they ain't hiring him. Unless he has a Bachelors in CS he needs to start from something basic like IT support. That's the reality in 2025. NO one will hire him as a dev even if he has all the basic Khan Academy knowledge.

>>25754871 A bootcamp if, those are still a thing can be enough, no need for a degree.

>>25754891 It used to be enough a few years ago, but nowadays... doubtful. At least that's my impression.

>>25754891 when was the last time you had to job hunt?

>>25754859 Because like most bernds, he can't tell the difference between programming well and programming professionally. If you want to be a good programmer, learn C, there is no other option. And get a degree. And also read books, contribute to open sores, learn an assembly, learn other good languages, etc. He doesn't want to program well though, he wants to get a job. If you want to get a job, forget learning anything, just accumulate certs, put some bling in your github profile, get a degree, do whatever code camp bullshit so you can say in your resume you were in the 2025 trans programmers code camp Stockholm or whatever, etc. People who don't intenionally scum the system like this simply do it unintentionally instead, just look at most bernds in this thread. Once you separate programming well from programming professionally, the posts in these threads make a lot more sense.

>>25754905 Kinda now.

>>25754912 you probably have experience, correct me if I'm wrong

>>25754916 I do. Mostly backend java shit 5+ years. I had colleges with no cs degrees, and to be honest I don't really think that it matters ín this specific field. And knowing C is helps nothing. Abstractions, if you want to work close to the hardware then yes, it is benefical, otherwise it is not.

>>25754931 What I wanted to say is that C is a language that is closer to the hardware, so knowing it is only useful if you actually code in C or something that is close to it. You don't need it for webshit, only some concepts.

>>25754931 >5+ years experience your job hunting experience will obviously be very different from his i'm not new to programming but i didn't look for a job for a while and now that i'm doing that it's very annoying in one instance i programmed a full fledged chat with multithreading and was told that didn't matter if i didn't know node/react >I don't really think that it matters ín this specific field. And knowing C is helps nothing. if you're posting all the time on github maybe, but then again it's back to the garlic's point about how different it is to do it for knowledge compared to professionally, if you're studying books and whatnot you won't be posting shit on github all the time

>>25754910 If you want to be a good programmer learn your choosen language well and learn algorithms/design patterns for your choosen language. There is no reason to learn C if you don't aim for System/embedded programming.

what if i wanna learn programming for fun? go for C? t. not op

>>25754962 depends on what you want to build if i could do whatever i want i would go even lower than that but alas i'm not some garch's heir

>>25754953 Yeah, kinda, I have neeted for the last year so a bit out of this world currently. I have to pick it up now because my money is starting to run out.

>>25754962 Depends what you think is fun. Chat bots for Twitch and Discord? Python. Making websites? JavaScript. Motors, sensors and electronics? C.

>>25754953 >didn't matter if i didn't know node/react So much this. Basically it doesn't matter if you have a cs degree or not, just that you have experience on a specific task.

>>25754988 well I was applying for the backend and I want to go into cloud eventually but webshit is the only thing that exists here, serves me right for not being born in the US

>>25754988 *Stack Not task

>>25754995 I was working for sweatshops, last customer was a us telecom company and was thrown into cloud shit (aws) without any prior knowledge. It was fun but somewhat annoying.

>>25754961 You're talking about how you gamed the system to get a job, not about how to be a good programmer. Good programmers don't have a language that was arbitrarily chosen for them that they then build around, they look for good languages. Design patterns are for programmers who can't think for themselves, good programmers simply have design. There is plenty of reason to use C for any of many tasks. It's portable, easy to use, efficient, no language has better tooling, you can easily write programs that feel native everywhere with it, has lots of quality static analyzers like GCC's -fanalyzer and Clang's static-build, etc. These are things that make a language good and qualities that any use case wants, any language that does well with them is desirable for anything. You're saying there's no reason to use C outside the use cases you listed because that's where they're used in the professional world, but I don't care about the professional world and what they use and where, I care about the world of programs that are good. >>25754962 For "fun" it depends a lot on what you like. Lots of math nerds really like fuctional languages. I don't have much experience with functional languages, it's basically only Lisp, and from what I hear it's the least functional of functional languages, maybe you'd do Haskell or something like that if you like math, I don't know. Some just want to grind a skill due to lack of anything better to do like me will try to focus on getting really good at a small subset of things, I have tried many languages and simply dropped them because when I learned they sucked I no longer had a reason to go any further, and I've gotten decent at comparatively few languages. C really is a requirement for getting good. It's going to be the definition of a language that can produce quality binaries that you will compare everything else to. Rust is also good here. Then you'd also want to learn good tooling like Meson, Helix, documentation tools like mandoc and CommonMark, all the major operating systems, read books about style, articles about random tech subjects that can help you program better, grind open sores to get practical experience, etc, it's what I do. Some people are the opposite as far as number of languages are concerned and simply go ahead and learn as many languages as possible because they like doing that. If you simply like learning languages, you will probably like doing significantly different ones instead of a billion C derivatives which dominate the world today, look for older languages because years ago the ecosystem had more variety. Some people like to build stuff, and then they care more about techniques for learning how to write complex programs and reading books with the entire theory and practice of how to write a particular kind of program (compilers, daemons, websites, etc) and then go ahead and write them. There are books about that, web articles, and the like. For building stuff, you probably want a well-structured language that lends itself to brief programs so you can think less about programming and more about building like Rust.

>>25755082 First of all he needs to learn anything at all. Currently he knows nothing.

>>25754301 how can you even fail C, C is literally slightly higher abstraction level than assembly

>>25754743 embedded is my dream for many years, I guess C still is king for such cases right ?

>>25755082 >Rust is also good here. I did do half of a Rust guide a few months ago. Maybe I'll just restart that instead of attempting C...

>>25755082 So you are not a professional after all. I have learned C during my studies but still, it does not help if you have to code on a different abstraction level. What you need to know is your stack and how to achieve stuff using that. If you have to use interop then yes, C can be benefical, but that is a very narrow usecase.

Did you do the Ruby tutorial now?

>>25758302 I had stuff to deal with this morning. And i have to wait for my package to arrive. But after that i will commit all my time to grinding programming levels again. I watched the first ruby video on how to download it.

>>25758307 You always say this.

And you were supposed to start with the second one. Installing Ruby is just one click.

PROCRASTINATING

>>25758333 you should go buy some new pc hardware or a monitor or something, and some ben also jerrys

You don't know what a variable is and yet you manage to get actual programmers to give you good advice, but like with everything in your life you will just squander it and do nothing, you have some illness so it's not your fault. Maybe in 10-20 years you will start to recognize it in yourself.

>>25758317 I told you that ive been busy. Why are you trying to frame this as if im procrastinating. I have a package that i have to be ready for.

Unsurprisingly grappa is iq89

>>25754301 >because i dont know how to programming In 2023 and early 2024, Silicon Valley experienced a wave of tech layoffs, with companies like Meta, Google, and Microsoft cutting thousands of IT specialist jobs, citing factors like overhiring during the pandemic, slowing sales, and a changing economic landscape What's the point ?

starting my programming arc now

>>25758307 Why do something hard when you can just sit around all day and wait for new toys paid for by the state?

>>25759407 I ordered a cable of amazon.

>>25758435 I thought about becoming a code monkee so I can do remote work internationally when shit hits the fan to fuck off without pröblems. Most ukrainian coders I've met got a job really quick and used to be the first out of the sleeping in tents inside a gym situation. Is it actually still worth it? Or am I going to end up shoveling shit for my new masters anyway because no one needs techies anymore these days? Where those layoffs actually specialized people with good overall experience or new hires right out of the uni with super narrow fields riding the diversity wave on some bullshit google job?

>>25759395 Great, how far did you get?

>>25759624 Why are you asking now. Im obviously not far in.

>>25759964 Which video?

>>25759970 second video. I forgot about ruby and i was watching bodycam videos. I will actually start my grind now. Not joking. I will not do anything else except learn programming from this point on

Okay im going to learn ruby now

downloaded ruby now

https://kate-editor.org/ >>25760009 You'll also want to use a text editor with syntax highlighting.

>>25760027 Wait. Why not visual studio code?

>>25760029 You can use whatever you want. If you want Visual Studio Code, use Visual Studio Code.

Actually notepad.exe should suffice for following the tutorial. The important thing is that you get started.

>>25760042 i can probably get through a couple of videos today but tomorrow i can go more in depth. Its a little late today

>>25760048 It isn't late yet. Do it.

"Dont waste your time with things you dont understand, just after 1-2 fails do something else" Donald Trump

unironically i think most people would probably be happier working as a construction worker than a low-level programmer

>>25759505 remote wörk is dyings an deaths, there are way less opportunities than a few years before

And? Did you get past the second video now?

use Grok 3. Ask him to hold your hand and explain every little bit. He can keep explaining it in 200 different ways until you get it. Anything at all. Make him a professor or a mentor. Only Grok 3.

Oh well, if he didn't get to it today there's always another day tomorrow...

the tech/coding train left the station like 5 years ago man

>>25760558 Yes

Programming is easy

first_name = "Dave" puts "Hello World!" puts 'Hello World!' puts first_name

>>25762034 what about systems/embedded. bet i can do that.