Level 1 charger consumes as much power as a block heater.

>>25751943 Solar doesn't work at night. If there is little wind too where is the energy supposed to come from? Loading EV at evening/night is not possible in huge quantities in zhe Germany. Would need to be done at daytime so in the companies parkinglots.

>>25752219 It's hard to believe but many countries have nuclear/coal baseload power plants.

It would work well for me, because I only work Monday, Wotansday and Friday and have a lot of PV on my roof. But even for me it's not worth it, because EVs are still too expensive to buy.

>>25751943 >It seems to me that charging an EV at home at night and at parking lot at your workplace from a standard AC outlet would be more than enough for 95% of drivers. You live in a commieblock, 8th floor. Your ev shitbucket is parked 55m away from your block. How are you going to charge it?

>>25752223 What would be the advantage with that?

>>25752281 EVs are easier to manufacture therefor more countries can have domestic auto industries and competition can drive down the price of autos

>>25751943 The range is so bad. We visited a costumer 3h away with a Tesla. We had to charge it for an hour to make it back in the evening. Only charger were at a supermarket.

>>25752285 But there are not that many sources for the material in batteries. They will keep the prices up.

A radical idea: hang exposed wires high above road, add a long stick to every electric car so it reaches the wire and makes contact. Less batteries and complex electronics for them needed = cheaper cars, no need to wait until it during day, just sit and drive.

Electricity is already everywhere and doesn't have to be hauled around in lorries, so yeah, just charge at home and say goodbye to gas stations

>>25752307 We have a lane for testing that concept on a German Autobahn. So far it seems like a failure.

>>25752285 But why are they still so expensive? The cheapest electric family car costs 39k€. This does not bode well for our dwindling fertility.

>>25752272 see >>25752191

>>25752320 Abdullah rides bus and already has 8 children.

>>25752307 And add rubber disks around every car and let people hit at each other for fun

>>25751943 >Are EVs really bad and impractical? Only among retarded boomers and deranged imageboard dwellers. Sure, it has its own flaws, but as you rightfully said - it's enough for the average person. >It seems to me that charging an EV at home at night and parking lot at your workplace from a standard AC outlet would be more than enough for 95% of drivers. >And installing regular AC outlets at every parking lot instead of expensive fast chargers looks much more reasonable. You still need more power than regular wiring can support, so either a battery-based charging station or a dedicated power line from the transformer station.

>>25752305 >But there are not that many sources for the material in batteries. They will keep the prices up. Are you actually speculating on commodity prices or talking from ass? >>25752320 >But why are they still so expensive? The cheapest electric family car costs 39k€. This does not bode well for our dwindling fertility. Still new, like I said every turd world country starts a nationalized auto company for prestige and prices start dropping maybe

>>25752300 Not that hard to find cheap cars

>>25752332 >rubber disks around every car I remember some shitboxes from late 90's used to have something of the kind. Must have been aftermarket fashion for beginner drivers, but i still like the concept, far more useful than phone cases.

>>25752328 I doubt it. Fertility of foreigners drops rapidly as soon as thdy set foot to Europe.

>>25752320 >But why are they still so expensive? Battery. EVs are cheaper, simpler, and faster to produce, except for one thing - the battery.

>>25752333 Define "regular wiring". If it can handle water boilers and electric heaters it can handle level 1 charging too.

>>25752338 >24k€ That's a small shitbox for twice the price of a Dacia Sandero.

>>25752343 You think Mahmoud in Kurdistan owns a seven-seater family van?

>>25752347 Not continuously. How many people turn on their 4kW electric kettles in your commieblock and keep them on for 8 hours?

>>25752347 3.7 - 7.4 kW per charger (per one car at the time, obviously). Best case, you have 10 - 15 kW per apartment, i.e. 1/3 - 1/2 max consumption of one flat. Now calculate all together.

>>25752323 Now let me repeat your question >Are EVs really impractical? Is refitting every parking lot in the country to serve EVs impractical? I'd say yes. It'd cost hundreds of billions or even more than a trillion(depending on what country we're talking about).

smartphone on wheels with 1 ton lithium battery ?

>>25752379 Water boilers at night and electric heaters at winter are continuous loads.

>>25752370 He probably owns a 7-seater donkey wagon. You need some way to move your family around.

btw, you can make EV from trash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3wLo_yNsLU

>>25752320 btw, german automakers could've become EV kangz back then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_jDvTHSQxQ

west has 0 recycling and battery production smart to make soyiety dependent on china ??!

>>25752389 >3.7 - 7.4 kW per charger (per one car at the time, obviously). Too much. 120V/15A or 240V/13A is much more realistic.

>>25752317 They demolished 1 or 2 of 3 total ones already. Still where do you take the energy from for it during Dunkelflaute? huh?

>>25752338 That Fiat looks nice i'mma buy it

>>25752390 Counterargument: AC outlets are also beneficial for ICE cars owners, especially in winter. Another counterargument: the cost of adding AC outlets to a new garage is a rounding error, so garage's owner can make more bux providing more service.

>>25752431 Garages here have lighting but no outlets.

>Are EVs really bad and impractical? If you don't have a detached full-sized garage with decent power connections of your own at home then yes it's very bad and super impractical. If you have such a garage and also have a backup ICE car then a EV car might be a ok option for all your short in city/town trips. For EVERYONE else the only EV I would recommend is something like a E-bike, preferably with a removable battery. E-bikes are legitimately pretty good. A car will not fit your use case if you don't have your own garage, and even if you do, it's only safe if it's a detached garage. Otherwise it will fuck your home and auto insurance.

>>25752431 Most enclosed garages for apartments and the like don't even allow EV's to park in them at all because it cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to upgrade their fire suppression systems in the event of a EV fire. They aren't even allowed at the local hospital enclosed lot. You have to used the outdoor lot or find street parking if you use a EV.

They are more practical than ICE cars these days. The reason I did not get one is that they depreciate so fast in value.

>>25752219 Batteries exist, you know.

I've heard in Germany electricity is so expensive that gas is actually cheaper. So you can't argue EVs are cheaperin that regard Is that true?

>>25753458 Of course not.

>>25753462 Electricity for driving 100km is cheaper than the gas for the same distance?

>>25753469 Duh

>>25751943 >It seems to me that charging an EV at home at night and at parking lot at your workplace from a standard AC outlet would be more than enough for 95% of drivers. To fully charge an average EV here from a standard outlet takes around 24hrs Using a home charger is faster but costs far more, almost the same as running a petrol or diesel car using public fast chargers costs more per mile than petrol and diesel cars here Also most EVs here now fall under the new luxury class (thanks to labour) of cars and will cost between £2000 to £5000 a year to tax

EV are useless, those that enjoy EVs own a house, have a carport for 3+ cars with PV and a battery system to plug it in almost 24/7 and don't need a "car" but a electric shopping cart that might run 100km/week max. Else the only valid answer why you bought a EV is I'm retarded and wanted to virtue signal with it.

>>25753553 Just say that you're poor. Don't worry, you'll be able to get a cheap chink EV once VW goes bust with their quarter of a trillion in debt.

>>25753563 Why would I buy Temu trash? I already own 4 ICE cars that actually work.

>>25753580 I don't need to service my car :)

>>25752359 and a Sandero with LPG will assrape in terms of range, because it will drive well over 1200 km when both tanks are full.

>>25752219 Install a house battery

>>25753590 Driving a Sandero for over 1200 km would feel worse than ass rape.

EVs don't have the range and are bad in winter. And although they're cheape in the long run bernd it's an initial investment. You need to buy a charger that costs anywhere from $200-$1000 dollars and due to the car battery in case of car accidents your car insurance will be astronomically high. They remind me a lot of solar panels. You get the tax credit then play a waiting game while praying for it to finally pay off. Hybrids can help you you make long journeys often or are just paranoid? Like an EV really is tied down to charging stations.

>>25753734 Also things like crypto or home tech or electric cars give glowies the ability to just freeze your car home and a lifes savings in a manner of seconds A vombustion engine and cash/precious metals are independent and all about freedom. A glowie can't use the Internet to prevent an engine spark

>>25753714 Sandero is very nice to sit in as driver.

>>25753714 It feels quite nice actually. Did you ever drive one?

>>25753758 Thankfully, no.

>>25753767 Then you're full of shit anyway.

>>25753784 Have you considered buying a German car?

>>25753792 I have, but they are too expensive for what they are. I want a car and not a status symbol.

>>25753500 ok, here are some calculations: Let's assume that someone has a Tesla Model 3 with 57kWh battery. You can get 42km/hour from charging a car with 240V/32A charger, so charging with 240V/13A gives 17km/hour. 16 hours of charging give 272km and 50kWh. Average daily commute distance in EU is 35km, in US 67km, so 16 hours of slow charging can give 4-7 days of commuting. Distance per 1kWh is 5.44km, amount of energy required to ride 100km is 18.3kWh. The rest depends on cost of fuel and electricity in your area.

>>25753808 Are you a Turk? No one actually thinks a cab car is a "status symbol".

>>25753819 For the price of a VW Polo, you can buy a 7-seated Dacia. Why would you buy an overpriced German brand if not for status?

what?

>>25753840 >VW

>>25753851 not very helpful...

extended range hybrids are the future they use the existing gas/petrol infrastructure and have better efficiency

bump

>>25753885 you buy it for the emotions it gives you. you buy it because you want to look back at your car whenever you park it somewhere and get a feeling of contempt. the only reason to buy a dacia is if you have a family and are tight on a budget and have other priorities. a car is more than a box that drives from a to b.

>>25757448 >you park it somewhere and get a feeling of contempt Contempt? Is that really what you wanted to say? >a car is more than a box that drives from a to b. That is pretty much what it is. And why would a Dacia give you less warm feelings than any other car?