nuke kremlin

I always just say "Yeah no way he attacks nato lol" like i have any clue about this. But then i remember faggots with 100% confidence say he never attacks ukraine. In the end i have no idea and can't change it anyways.

Russians threaten NATO countries with nukes and occupation like every two weeks.

>>25743339 It was just jokes

Well, if Putin says so, it must be true. I can't think of anything more reliable than what Putin says. If you don't believe this, you're a sucker.

Yeah, if pigdog says "we won't attack you" it means they WILL attack you.

Wow, Putin is lying just as he did before.

>>25743365 No one cares about urine, mate. Urine is retarded attention whore.

>>25743391 >No one cares about urine Why are you in all threads about ukraine then?

Putin stated repeatedly that Ukraine is part of the "Russkiy mir" and that was not a legitimate state prior to the invasion. So mostly he says what he believes is true. He hasn't stated that he intends to attack NATO or the EU. So I think it probably will not happen.

The Putin infestion will just be a stronger flu, I will NEVER wear the gas mask!

>>25743391 I love urine

>>25743396 >Putin stated repeatedly that Ukraine is part of the "Russkiy mir" and that was not a legitimate state prior to the invasion. He could say the same about all of eastern Europe including eastern Germany.

>>25743400 >sperglands Huh, I wonder WHY

>>25743316 There's no brewing pretext to attack the Baltics and not like we conquered urine yet, so he must be telling the truth. Well, maybe a land corridor to Kaliningrad, I suppose. But one can just trade for that if pressed. This has security pretext with the balts. But regardless, if you wish to avoid war with Russia at some point, have you tried NOT provoking it? Next time try that.

NATO only exists for this reason, and Russia repeatedly provides confirmation that it is right.

>>25743402 Nod really. Urine was an integral part of Russia for like 350 years. E. Europe was just occupied by Russia for 45 years.

He wanted to do 3-day SMO in UKraine and then a few months after that do a similar SMO in Baltic countries, when the world was weak and lost after the Coronavirus pandemic, but now he has to change his plans a bit.

>>25743391 You should never ever reply to my post, you are a disgusting 56% subhuman spreading smell of diarrhea around yourself.

Russians get really butthurt about baltics all the time, it doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it could do.

>>25743420 Actually eastern europe was also part of Russian empire for a while longer than that.

>>25743396 He only started saying that before invading. He might as well proclaim the Baltics illegitimate tomorrow or next week.

>>25743420 Finland was part of russia longer than Ukraine(basically russia created finland and finnish people).

>>25743396 > He hasn't stated that he intends to attack NATO or the EU. So I think it probably will not happen. He hasn't stated that he intends to attack ukraine either and called it insane suggestion, and then he did. But russian media and politicians all the time threaten to invade nato countries, same they did with ukraine.

>>25743316 Back to the trenches, swine.

>>25743454 Russians can never take responsibility for what they do. They act like victims, like its not justified the entire world hates them.

>>25743457 >Cockholes can never take responsibility for what they do. They act like victims, like its not justified the entire world hates them. Ftfy. Funny how accurate it is, right?

>>25743450 No, Russia gained much of Ukraine from Poland in 1667. The rest it took from the Turks. All cities in the former Turkish area were built by Russians. Finland was an independent duchy under the Tsars from 1809-1917, but the cities were built earlier, by Swedes, and there were no Russians living in Finland.

>>25743409 Russia goes to war to annex territorys and to gain power so no procovation is needed

He also said he wasn't going to invade Ukraine when the Americans was saying on which day and at what hour they would invade Ukraine

>>25743457 Swine, when will you stop draftdodging, take responsibility and start fighting for terrorist kiev regime instead of cowardly shilling for it here on usaid payroll?

>>25743461 >Finland was an independent duchy under the Tsars from 1809-1917 You were never independent, you became part of russia in 1709 after that retarded swede lost to russia near poltava, and next 200 year you were russians. Ukraine was finally annexed by russia in 1776.

>>25743460 Nobody hated ukrainians because nobody even knew they existed. And then you invaded. Same way some arab or asian shitholes nobody cared about, and then america started to fuck around there.

>>25743472 Russia still invaded nobody, dumb swine.

>>25743475 I would never go fight myself. I rather send cents to the dollar to ukrainians, so they kill russians. Why sacrifice human lifes to kill russniggers when you can just sacrifice other slavs. And there is nothing you can do to change that.

So you think Ukraine and Europe is the same?

>>25743479 >Nobody hated ukrainians Until they've seen and heard of them, correct.

>>25743485 Right, special military opperation.

>>25743488 You really think in wect ukrainians are more hated than loved? Really? Is that like some kremlin talking point, the public in wect is in secret on your side?

>>25743485 Well they are still trying

>>25743486 So your oinking means nothing since you do not fight for it and continue squealing in helpless rage? Ok

>>25743477 Both of the years you provide are incorrect. Go ahead and do some reading on Wikipedia.

>>25743498 Only in your retarded pig heda.

>>25743501 6 more trillion to ukraine! Even more slavniggers die!

>>25743497 Update your methodichka, pigdog. Nobody is buying anymore “all world with urine” narrative.

>>25743508 Sure sure, swine too bad that it only exists in your cope fantasies, lmao.

>>25743497 Politically, no, they're still good talking point. Practically, yes, they're a hassle to deal with. Do you think Trump deports the cockholes out of whimsy aka "russian collusion"?

Another "great" thread was gypsyfied

>>25743516 You think what trump does is motivated by some deep hatred for ukrainians he has? He gives no fuck about slavs, its obvious he has his own deals with putin/russia, and they want to restore trade. Do you really think the decission behind such big geopolitical decissions are because trump gives a fuck about some random slav countries?

He can barely manage to keep a front line in Ukraine. How would he possibly fight an all out war against NATO? Even if USA leaves NATO which will never happen it will be on paper. The won't wait a single hour to deploy troops from Kazakhstan into the mainland to "assist" the EU - take as much Russian clay before China or Turkic warlords take it over.

>>25743525 i wonder how much one gets paid from telegram groups or whatever to shit up websites that's obviously what's happening and i bet that's one way he feeds his meth addiction thank dog for filters

>>25743535 We are like 40 people here. Nobody pays anybody anything to act like a retard here. That gypsy is just mentally ill.

>>25743316 Russoids are programmed mongoloid orcs hivemind

>>25743538 >That gypsy is just mentally ill. All three of them are.

>>25743538 Cool story, swine. Too bad nobody believes your lies.

>>25743535 He didn't get any money. He is lonely, miserable, probably virgin, poor. He unironically thinks he is doing great mission protecting mother russia on german pedoforum

>>25743549 Are you a chat bot? I literally argued against the idea you are a paid shill. But ok then, im lying, you actually are a paid shill.

>>25743554 I don't think he's a bot. His IQ is just below 80 + meth addict.

>>25743553 He is just mentally ill. Or a chatbot. Just look at his responses, he is not even able to understand the context of things posted here. Maybe just a very drunk russian.

>>25743538 >>25743535 easily can be fixed with poster ID for some reason shitmut don't want to introduce it poster ID places have no spammers at all

>>25743554 Nice projections, swine.

NATO: Let’s make more reasons for Putin to attack NATO

>>25743561 Nobody keeps you here, oinker. In fact, this place will become better if you and all those pigdog shills be gone. Russia is working on it by exterminating your despicable kin.

>>25743538 >>25743553 i'm 100% sure he gets paid to do it, i think i remember crimeaball post an onion link to a recruiting website for that kind of shit and i can't deny it wasn't working before i started using ublock filters, the ukraine war general was almost unreadable at times and i couldn't be bothered to read that shit talk so mission accomplished

>>25743578 This makes no sense. Why would anybody pay you to shill on a little website with 40 posters.

>>25743578 I dunno when they get their shit pushed in all those schizos disappear, so i think they are just idiot trolls

>>25743561 Kys Uganda shill If you want post IDs to back to pol, nigger.

>>25743590 As a normal person you can't even post on /pol/, you have to wait like 10 minutes to post without gold pass.

Just give DDR back and nobody will be hurt, Fritz.

>>25743561 Maybe op could decide if threda has poster id or not at the beginning?

>>25743594 He's not a normal person but a paid shill.

>>25743598 Germany would be 100% left wing if east germany was taken away from us.

>>25743603 Cool.

>>25743599 What for? There aren't more than 40 people posting here. You can easily identify each and every poster by posting style.

>>25743606 You cannot do it to me.

>>25743600 WOWIE everybody getting paid to post on the kc, except me. The gypsy, the ukrainian, all get paid to argue here.

>>25743581 he posts on other boards too, who knows maybe even youtube comments and news sites etc etc etc ok maybe i'm just 98% sure but still

>>25743530 >You think what trump does is motivated by some deep hatred for ukrainians he has? Partially. In this view, Ukraine is a fake state and fully belongs to Russia, as he once mentioned when it wasn't relevant. More importantly, cockholes are pawns of the democrats, and are meddling in his business, so they're a practical issue for him as well. Non-political refugees elsewhere also don't have a stellar reputation as well, you know. It's just peak cockholism example.

>>25743609 I disagreed with the gypsy being paid. The Ukrainian obviously is.

>>25743610 Why even pay someone to do this when you can just have a bot write more intelligent replies than this gypsy.

>>25743614 Hey, what about me? Am I paid to post on KC?

>>25743618 well it's not like kreml and the russian "services" are good at spending money, hah

>>25743613 > In this view, Ukraine is a fake state and fully belongs to Russia Trump didn't even knew ukraine existed before russia invaded. He gives no fuck about some slav shithole, i don't understand how people can have such naive simplistic view on geopolitics. Do you also think america protects taiwan because they care so much about their culture and the people? Such geopolitical decissions are not made based on if they think country X is "good" or "bad" or "legitimate". They give no fuck.

>>25743614 Maybe people are able to disagree with you without being paid for it.

>>25743603 So nothing would change. You have to let them free instead of keeping them in your dictatorship leftist shithole.

>>25743628 >Trump didn't even knew ukraine existed before russia invaded. Yes he did, he was in Russia in the 00s, he has minor experience with us. And I never said he gives a fuck about the country, I said they're a problem for him for both personal and political reasons.

>>25743606 Keep oinking the same shit won‘t make you more believable, pigdog. Update methodichka.

>>25743639 >>25743645 Do you get paid for how many replies you get or what? Go back to twitter to engagement farm you dumb gypsy.

>>25743606 there is 3 poster from Austria, including smelly gyppo, one of them is also spammer, other post really rarely, i believe because people mistake him with resident gypsy over here I don't want remove them all but shitmut want his pro pork bots to stay visible

>>25743607 So, swine, when did he lie?

>>25743629 Using low iq propaganda narrative is an obvious red flag showing shill in you.

>>25743649 Go back to trenches, swine. Stop draftdodging and die already for kiev regime instead of oinking here for usaid money.

>>25743316 If he believes he can - he will. And it's quite possible because NATO already shat itself before the war even started. Also consider that even if you manage to to kill them 5-10 to one, there is no problem for them to throw additional 2-3 million of swine cattle and win by shear attrition.

all this kabuki theater is just a distraction - something else is going on

>>25743677 Good thing we'll have a good supply of swine cattle after your partition then :^)

>>25743409 >Well, maybe a land corridor to Kaliningrad, Belaruss was so far smart enough to appear as not taking part in Ukraine war. If the conflict spreads to the Baltics, Minsk will be the second city to be nuked (4th in history). If Belaruss Bernd don't want to be part of this historic event, then its time to leave. >But regardless, if you wish to avoid war with Russia at some point, have you tried NOT provoking it? Next time try that. Russia invaded Ukraine after signing numerous treaties promising its territorial integrity. Russia's word is not worth much.

>>25743561 >poster ID places have no spammers at all I love you mommy Merkel! And I trust in our party- and government leadership to develop socialist, beautiful diverse and radiant multicultural society! Friendship with the people of the EUSSR!

Never trust a Russian

>>25743835 >Russia invaded Ukraine after signing numerous treaties promising its territorial integrity. So did the Ukraine, and broke them. Don't expect us to honour a piece of paper if you don't honour a spirit behind it.

I thought 'stol' means chair in Russian

>>25744931 It's stool.

ai is saying he is lying

he is afraid that Deutschland erwache

>Putler calling us crazy for suggesting he might attack nato. It's typical Russian strategy <oh no, how could you think such horrible things, wow, so rusophobic ;____; >XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA WE DID THAT BAD THING WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT HUH? HUH?

>>25743450 >russia created finland and finnish people In reality, Finns created russia and russian people.

>>25743442 It was only around 150 years from late 1700s to 1990 with almost 50 years break in between.

>>25744987 Baltshit screeching nonstop over Russia is a typical baltshit behaviour indeed.

Russians lie and lie and lie. its totally normal for them. their brains don't even process how much they lie And Petuhs on KC believe it.

>>25745085 There are weekly anti-Baltic threads on KC by you batxert pidorussians. There is none about Russia by Balts. https://kohlchan.net/int/res/25730323.html https://kohlchan.net/int/res/25745048.html

So it's confirmed, he's preparing to attack NATO.

>>25743316 OP YOU FUCKING NIGGER this video is 10 months old.

>>25743460 >entire world hates them You really know some facts make swine ultra butthurt when they try to turn them upside down. They have a massive inferiority complex and will completely immerse themselves in an alternative reality in an attempt to cope with the pain of being hated.

nuke moscow. simple as

>>25743316 neh he's in league with the usa ussr bombs ukraine (usa does nothing ) israel bombs palestine (usa does nothing ) theirs noses involved in all this

Putin is the type of aggressive subhuman that says this only when the power balance doesn't favor him

>>25745407 >EEEEEE! I love it when you project like this. You know you're talking about yourself, but can't help it. It's perfect. I don't even need to change words, it's exactly right.

>>25745407 why only browns like poccnr

>>25743396 >Russia demands NATO roll back from East Europe and stay out of Ukraine >December 17, 2021 https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-unveils-security-guarantees-says-western-response-not-encouraging-2021-12-17/ Everybody knows this is the ultimate goal.

>>25745585 >dips even deeper into the invented by him alternative reality when confronted with the indisputable documented reality Amazing! The zigger cope must be studied by scientists, and I hope I contribute right now by highlighting this special mental condition.

>>25745633 A fraternal people with similar mentality. They are called ziggers for a reason.

Imagine thinking poccner will bomb Europe when Putin and his oligarchs have all their children live and study in Europe le mao

>>25745728 >polls >indisputable reality Sure, piggie. Your mental condition isn't special though, it's shared by thousands of your fellow pigmen. As observed by me and other Russians elsewhere. Theorem didn't appear out of the blue you know.

>>25745657 And they achieved it by letting sweden and finland to join nato.

>>25745142 Nobody cares about your subhuman butthurt rage when we make fun over your subhuman chimp outs, baltshit. Therefore we will make threads where we laugh at you as long as we want to.

>>25745767 Lmao, how it's not reality? Dispute it then with better facts, oh wait you can't, you can only cope and lie, you pathetic pidorusishche from the country "NO U!". Why is you mommy sow screams in fear and barely escapes being stoned to death for having pidorussian flag on the car, if west loves you?

CUM STAINED CYGAN ALERT

>>25745849 All the better facts are russian propaganda, piggie, remember? Everyone who says truth about Ukraine are Russians/Russian agents/Bots. Arestovich, Trump, Fico, every Bernd who had a cockhole experience and so on. What can I even tell you if your own "people" flatly tell you that your country is built on a lie, or else everything crumbles? Everything is written on the wall, and you're aware that it's there, but you can't and don't try looking. Because you know what the truth is and fear it.

>>25745924 Lmao, read your own cope link, you lying world-known swine. >Arestovich, Trump, Fico, every Bernd Lmao x2, I can cite hundreds of bloggers, politicians and internet trolls that despise you, including those from pidorstan. You are hanging on a thin cope rope made of the words of cherry-picked individuals and try hard not to see the reality, the general picture of the world. You have to accept the fact that most people hate you for your lying, bloodthirsty, vile, subanimal nature, before your pathetic copes get too heavy, the rope snaps and you kys like a SMO-terrorist.

In public rooster TV they say that Russia starts in Asia and ends in Lisbon. Last time i saw a map that's not the current borders of Europe so i can only assume they are indeed threatening with invasion

>>25743472 >He also said he wasn't going to invade Ukraine when the Americans was saying on which day and at what hour they would invade Ukraine The Americans would probably not know about such plans now, because Musk fired competent employees to save government money, kek.

OK now I am convinced they do intend to invade.

>>25745924 Russians literally live in different reality if they have deluded themselves anybody in europe even knows enough about ukraine to actually activly hate them. Its insane what weird reality you have to construct for yourself regarding this war. You think somehow there is some culture war going on, where large part of europeans hate ukrainians for the same reasons as you do in russia, because your tv tells you so.

Just nuke the kremlin already. If you cut off the head, the snake dies.

>>25746975 Then you become the snake.

>>25746434 >>25745924 Same manyaworld TV must tell them lies about Romanians.

>>25746434 >You think somehow there is some culture war going on, where large part of europeans hate ukrainians for the same reasons as you do in russia, because your tv tells you so. They probably show them a fringe of nonconformists protesting for "peace" and for the halt of aid to Ukraine and they will believe it's the majority or a significant minority. I guess they did the same with western commies during the cold war: "Look comrade, the world revolution is upon us!"

>>25745849 Swine, please, you have less relation to reality than elephant to ballet.

Russia is not attacking Ukraine. Russia is liberating new regions that held the referendum.

>>25747199 Or a woman has to you

>>25746330 >Lmao x2, I can cite hundreds of bloggers, politicians and internet trolls that despise you So? How's a bunch of mentally ill subhumans and paid shills prove something? The truth is on our side, that's all that needs to be said. >You are hanging on a thin cope rope made of the words of cherry-picked individuals and try hard not to see the reality, the general picture of the world. You have to accept the fact that most people hate you for your lying, bloodthirsty, vile, subanimal nature, before your pathetic copes get too heavy, the rope snaps and you kys like a SMO-terrorist. Perfect description of you. You've always known the truth. You just keep substituting it for us to not go insane. Althought it would have been easier to simply admit your wrongs and do better. But you wouldn't be a cockhole if you could be a normal person, would you?

>>25746434 I already explained it to you. People who DO learn about cockholes any further passing glance of their sad victim play, tend to start seeing inconsistencies which can grow to hate if well-acquainted with the piglets. You can squeal all you want, I'm not saying anything special you don't know about yourself. It's easy to see that only subhumans hate us - kikes, soys, npcs, people who have no integrity or honesty. Those who have much in common with cockholes.

>>25747165 No, the germnpc is partially correct. People "like" cockholes from abroad simply don't know anything about them other than that they're le victims and Russia le bad. The media made sure to write about them a certain way. But naturally the majority is largely unconcerned with some pigmen genocide beyond virtue signalling.

>>25748433 >All the better facts are russian propaganda, piggie, remember? Everyone who says truth about Ukraine are Russians/Russian agents/Bots. <So? How's a bunch of mentally ill subhumans and paid shills prove something? Epic, simply epic. Zigger described himself in own post and later reproduced the exact behavioral cope pattern that he had mentioned. Another pure projection from the alternative cope really liver has been documented. >>25748452 The audacity to lecture European people about European people while sitting far away in Asian mordor, is insane. A crazy invader-loser buckbroken by Ukrainians and Western hate copes with fairy tales that he unable to back up. It's easy to see that only subhumans love you, like kikes, schizos, commies, pedos, shitskins.

It should be obvious that Russia can't attack NATO even if the US disappeared tomorrow. I'm not sure why Europe is being so completely retarded at this point.

They can’t barely protect themselves from Hohols drones and even let them occupy a city for 6 months also they need like 1 month to advance 1 meter into Ukraine

>>25749301 >Russia can't attack NATO Putin tells the 76th Guards Air Assault Division to capture Narva. The result: Narva is attacked. Narva is in Estonia, and Estonia is in NATO. Ergo: NATO is attacked.

>>25749301 They technically declared a war to Russia sending weapons to Jewkraine, speaking high to Russia and discriminating Russians and so on. And than they released nothing actually protects them. They have been talking shit about Russia thinking that NATO is backing them. But as we knew Jewrope can't produce enough weapons to protect themselve. Perhaps Putin couldn't take the whole Jewrope, but he could easily take some part of it. Some small, useless and noise countries. and nothing is stopping him from doing so.

I have an important question

>>25749347 >kokokoKOKOKOKOKkokokoKOKOKOK

>>25749327 Yes, if Putin attacks Estonia he will be at war with NATO. Putin cannot into war with NATO.

>>25749352 >YEAR 2230 Putin wins another election with 90% votes

>>25749327 > Ergo: NATO is attacked. What would NATO do?

>>25749356 >YEAR 2230

>>25749355 Russia fucked up hard, they had plans to do the green men crimea scenario in Latvian and Estonian border areas. But they pussied out when we were not ready for it. Now they are fucked, our State Security Services are bottling them left and right, every single fifth column member is cucked hard. and most of them ran away to konigsberg and cant return

>>25749276 >Epic, simply epic. Zigger described <hundreds of bloggers, politicians and internet trolls That piglet mentioned. >Another pure projection <N-no YOU are projecting! Oh, nation-pereforce tries another cope. Ha-ha, no. You've been describing yourself this whole time and you know it. You 'documented' it yourself right here on KC. >A crazy invader-loser buckbroken <N-no, Urine is winning! Lol Lmao even. Don't cry. >It's easy to see that only subhumans love you, like kikes, schizos, commies, pedos, shitskins. Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Funny how it's always the the subhumans that shill for urine the hardest, innit?

>>25749301 >It should be obvious that Russia can't attack NATO even if the US disappeared tomorrow. Uhm? There's no NATO without USA now, you know. If it wasn't for your money, Urine would be completely flattened. You funded the training of troops, weapons, vehicles and ammo, almost everything. And Europe would have just cucked out like it really wanted without your pressure. They don't have incentives for the Ukraine like you do. Even taxes and minerals could be overlooked for more oil and gas deals. >I'm not sure why Europe is being so completely retarded at this point. Oh, come know, you know why. You're the reason here too.

>>25749395 What if's. Go wash your pants, mr dreamer.

>>25749400 He said what ifs, not me. You can go wash your fear-sharted pants yourself, chichua. Pray we won't come after you next.

>>25749395 >Uhm? There's no NATO without USA now, you know. There would be, and it would be about half as powerful. This is my point though, that even at half-power, NATO would still be too powerful for Putin. >If it wasn't for your money, Urine would be completely flattened. >You funded the training of troops, weapons, vehicles and ammo, almost everything. Europe will be the first to tell you that they contributed as much or more. The US promised a lot of money it didn't deliver on. The actual deliveries are on par with what Europe provided if not less. >You're the reason here too. The US is not causing the chimpout of Europe. This is how Europe behaves in the absence of US. Its their default settis.

>>25749400 >>25749412 Yes, I did whatifism. No need to be Baltic in this situation, this is frenly conversation.

If I were to attack NATO, I would say sames. t. Master strategist and Putin Versteher

I say I don't care

>>25749446 >There would be, and it would be about half as powerful. This is my point though, that even at half-power, NATO would still be too powerful for Putin. There would be, but half-powerful doesn't mean much. NATO states would have to provide much, much more to the defense budgets, and there would be such strong warhawking without US. I mean it would be exist, but it's far less pressure without a global hegemon. >Europe will be the first to tell you that they contributed as much or more. Good thing I didn't ask. US still covered a whole half of that, and, most importantly, it was actually forced Europe to do that. Germany, for once, wins nothing at all and only suffers loss after loss. >The US is not causing the chimpout of Europe. This is how Europe behaves in the absence of US. Its their default settis. No. Europe's chimpout is the direct result of US-affiliated politicians. Pretty much like Selensky is now lost without his Dem handlers, so is Europe blindly doubles down on the narrative it's been fed. America dominates world politics, Europe is a non-entity in this theatre.

>>25748492 >The media made sure to write about them a certain way. The media don't need to post "a certain way" you fucking retard. We all saw Russia invaded Ukraine, bombed the civilians and pushed millions of them to become refugees. Any Europeans can relate to it to a different degree because despite our decades of peace, almost all Europeans experienced it the last century. Where I live, my city was bombed at 90% and everyone became a "refugee" in the countryside to avoid to be killed.

>>25749468 >>25749468 >There would be, but half-powerful doesn't mean much. It means half-powered, which is still too powerful for Russia. NATO shouldn't be applying pressure imo, it should be a purely defensive alliance with the sole purpose of defending the member countries from direct attack from foreign attack. >No. Europe's chimpout is the direct result of US-affiliated politicians. >Pretty much like Selensky is now lost without his Dem handlers, so is Europe blindly doubles down on the narrative it's been fed. But this is saying the same thing I am, which is that without US intervention, the Europeans chimp out. We didnt feed them the narrative that Russia is coming for them, this has been going on with you lot since before the US was involved in any meaningful capacity in world politics. You can't blame us for this irrational warhawking, its older than us.

>>25749476 >The media don't need to post "a certain way" Yeah, then why it does? >We all saw Russia invaded Ukraine, bombed the civilians Just like the Ukraine did to Donbass. Did you also saw that? No? That's what I thought. They still do it btw. But media doesn't show you that. Or better yet, calls Buchas Russian warcrimes. >Where I live, my city was bombed at 90% and everyone became a "refugee" in the countryside to avoid to be killed. Who the fuck cares, you were never there to experience that, you talk out of your ass. As our Russian propaganda used to say, "where were you these 8 years?"

>>25749488 >it should be a purely defensive alliance with the sole purpose of defending the member countries from direct attack from foreign attack Yeah, but would you get the monies without the big bad to fearmonger everyone with? Were NATO just a defensive alliance, we'd have no problem with it. >We didnt feed them the narrative that Russia is coming for them Lol Lmao even USA did it ever since the Cold War, where it bought everyone it could in politics, art and media and made them sing a different tune. Russia wouldn't come for everyone without you. You orchestrated the coup in the Ukraine transformation into a warcamp, having been preparing for it for at least two decades. Simple fucks. Of course I can blame you, you literally admitted as such with USAIDs even.

>>25749512 >Were NATO just a defensive alliance, we'd have no problem with it. You can't afford to have a problem with it now. You can only watch what it does. So you lash out at the last places you can, at Ukraine and eventually at Georgia against and so on, which is a natural reaction to all the new member countries. >USA did it ever since the Cold War, where it bought everyone it could in politics, art and media and made them sing a different tune. Nigger you were in Berlin in the Cold War. That narrative told itself.

>>25749538 >You can't afford to have a problem with it now. Yes I can and we can and will point out where you created conflicts out of nothing. >So you lash out at the last places you can, at Ukraine and eventually at Georgia against and so on Coincidentally, both places are targets of your agency. Don't stage colour revolutions there, and nobody has any problems. Simple fucks. And you can forget about Georgia too, they're smarter than that now. >Nigger you were in Berlin in the Cold War. So were you. And this where it got Germany.

>>25749557 >Yes I can and we can and will point out where you created conflicts out of nothing. That's about all you can do is commentary from the sideline. You cannot undo what has been done, no matter how many red lines you issue. >Don't stage colour revolutions there, and nobody has any problems. Simple fucks. Yes, US deep state did this and now we're trying to dismantle it. You aren't doing anything about it, we are. You aren't even helping.

>>25749496 >Yeah, then why it does? It doesn't like I said. Maybe you would prefer that we don't talk about this Russian invasion, the bombings and millions of refugees? I am sorry but it was never going to happen. >Just like the Ukraine did to Donbass. Did you also saw that? No? That's what I thought. We all saw that. We also know that these so-called separatists were a tiny minority, according to Igor Girkin himself (video related), and that they were armed by the Russian army. Justifying a war for the sake of just a thousand guys in a region with millions of inhabitants, pathetic. >Who the fuck cares, you were never there to experience that, you talk out of your ass. So who the fuck care about Donbass bombing? You never experienced it either.

>>25749581 >You cannot undo what has been done, no matter how many red lines you issue. We sort of can, as I mentioned with Georgia. >Yes, US deep state did this and now we're trying to dismantle it. You aren't doing anything about it, we are. You aren't even helping. What about agent Krasnov destroying America?

>>25749347 >They technically declared a war to Russia sending weapons to Jewkraine we very much technically didn't, if we technically did we'd actually do it because we care about words meaning things

>>25749617 >We sort of can, as I mentioned with Georgia. I meant the countries that have joined NATO, and red lines meaning putting NATO lines back to 90s or any point in the past. >What about agent Krasnov destroying America? You wish this were the case :DDD

>>25749496 Not even ziggers think that the response is proportional to whatever happened in Donbass. I don't know who that talking point is even for. Cattle don't care because they have no memory, ziggers don't care because you don't have to sell the war to them in the first place.

>>25743339 jk jk m8, this time it's not serious I swear on my babushka

>>25749586 >It doesn't like I said. It does like I said. >Maybe you would prefer that we don't talk about this Russian invasion, the bombings and millions of refugees? No, I'd prefer if you also talk about why it happened and why building USIS on our door step might have been a bad idea. >We all saw that. We also know that these so-called separatists were a tiny minority, according to Igor Girkin himself No, the separatists that wanted to actually fight were a minority. But Girkin is lying anyway. By 2022, there was about 100k recruits only from Donbass region. The total group was about 40k at the start of the civil war. But yes of course they were armed by us, not by cockholes. >Justifying a war for the sake of a region with millions of inhabitants What's wrong with that? >So who the fuck care about Donbass bombing? You never experienced it either. I got relatives in the Ukraine who went mad. So I kind of did. >>25749643 >Not even ziggers think that the response is proportional to whatever happened in Donbass. It wasn't the intended result. If you forgot, Putty declared SMO at the start and loudly offered AFU to depose the current junta and settle the conflict peacefully. The thugs refused of course. The current conflict is the result of cockholes refusing to let go of the land and civilians, and they'd rather destroy everything and kill everyone than let us have it. Which they do. That's the result for massive collaterals. But bombing civilians is always blamed on us, of course, even when we keep finding signed rockets.

So far, he only took separatists regions because he`s the white knight defending the ethnic russian population of Ukraine. Ukraine was bombing and killing people in Luhansk and Dombas since 2014. The minks agreements were supposed to stop it but Ukraine kept bombing those regions until Russia ran out of patience.

>>25749677 >The current conflict is the result of cockholes refusing to let go of the land and civilians I can tell you have an IQ so why do you parrot this shit in your free time

>>25749707 Can you serious explain what's wrong with what I said? It's literally the facts. What cockholes do, and what they literally have said before.

>>25749699 And there`s an audio of Micron moking the Minsk agreements, and, and, Angela Merkel said those agreements were only meant to gain time for Ukraine to get read to fight Russia.

>>25749714 It's completely normal for an invaded country to fight back to defend its sovereignty. Also "100k recruits only from Donbass region" yeah you guys conscripted an entire city orchestra to use as frontline meat. Those guys weren't too happy about that but they were dead too quickly for that to make a difference. The result of this kind of policy is the violent depopulation of the exact place you meant to protect. Only to replace the population with random homo sovieticus who has no roots there.

>>25749720 Zelepynya mocked them since the very beginning. He was literally clowning and smirking, showing he wasn't going to honour them one bit. Ha-ha, silly, Russians, making silly agreements, the fools.

>>25749736 I think you missed the point I was saying. It might be normal for a country to defend itself, well, if the ukraine could be called a country and invaded one. The point is, the country is supposed to care for their citizens at least. Instead we saw cockholes deliberately targeting civilian centers, using cluster charges and mines. Harrassing, robbing and killing civvies. Exactly the things they occuse us of doing, but it was even documented by OSCE to a degree and some were jailed for it. After 2022, they specifically cut the evacuation roots, shelled refugees who tried to escape in the wrong direction, harrassed and prevented to leave people even with documents and continue to push civvies under fire for victim points. Such as transforming malls into vehicle hangars or ammo depots and whining whenever rockets strike now legitimate targets. THAT's what I'm talking about. Their president gloated about separatists kids sitting in cellars and people widely mocked them, or made performance with cannibalism. Or real-life ones. >you guys conscripted an entire city orchestra to use as frontline meat. Oh, you mean like the TSK does now, hey? >The result of this kind of policy is the violent depopulation of the exact place you meant to protect. Precisely. But when we cannot do much to prevent the shelling, they can. But they don't. And then Hague calls the evacuation of civvies kidnapping and warcrimes. That's media. But my arguments fall on deaf ears because you haven't seen it and so you will just double down on denying everything.

>>25749677 >I'd prefer if you also talk about why it happened Ultimately it's all about Russian revanchism. Russia lost the cold war and its sphere of influence. Ukraine and the Donbass is just a detail. >But Girkin is lying anyway. Imagine being Girkin, you fought all your life for Russia and when you are being too honest, they call your liar and traitor and you end up in prison.

>>25749788 >Ultimately it's all about Russian revanchism Or American? >Imagine being Girkin, you fought all your life for Russia Oh yeah, sure. There's a lot you don't know about Girkin. He run with the same crowd of "nationalists" like the Jew Limonov and they wanted to turn the place into a bloodbath. It was supposed to happen in Crimea, as "predicted" in his book, but green men happened. So it moved to Donbass, although he had difficulty there. He also had some ties to Ukrainian establishment. Which is probably another reason why that scum failed so miserably at Donbass and was recalled in the early years. You only what's at the surface level and fall for populist speeches. Why not fall for Putin then? Same kinda thing. Girkin deserves his place in jail for his performance, and information he knows.

>>25749779 You're using counterfactuals ("they could've just given up") but missing the one where you could've just not attacked and prevented about a million deaths. Easy, cheap, good for budget and international relations. The mall cope was stale when it came out, it's not become better since. Same for the other ones.

>>25749808 >You're using counterfactuals ("they could've just given up") but missing the one where you could've just not attacked and prevented about a million deaths. Americans could also not subvert the Ukraine and prevented even more of it. But it's different, right? And OSCE-fixed shelling of DLNR at the end of 2021 is also completely unrelated and justified, I know. >The mall cope was stale when it came out Cope? What, these facts proof nothing, right? >Same for the other ones. Exactly. Facts don't matter. You're ideologically invested here, and it doesn't matter what Russia does or says, it's always le bad.

>>25749815 We've been over the muh shelling, why are you returning to it? > You're ideologically invested here, and it doesn't matter what Russia does or says, it's always le bad. I've followed this war from the start and paid attention. I saw the mall thing go down live, I saw the evacuation corridors go down live. I saw bucha before it was in the news, and didn't think much of it because that was just procedure as usual, nobody in the threads here was very surprised either, on neither side. Just clearer evidence than usual. I was fairly neutral initially but I saw Russians lie much more readily and often to serve their ends than Ukrainians. In contrast Ukros are really trying to be part of wect and adopt wectern values (such as not lying through their teeth when they think they can get away with it), they're postsovok just as you but at least they're trying to fix it. > Americans could also not subvert the Ukraine and prevented even more of it. But it's different, right? Zelensky was going to get voted out before all this went down. You could've waited, you had decent soft power. Problem is it would've taken another decade until you got a friendly-enough government again.

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>>25743396 Putin doesn't act on logic, he acts on ego

>>25749853 >I was fairly neutral initially but I saw Russians lie much more readily and often to serve their ends than Ukrainians. In contrast Ukros are really trying to be part of wect and adopt wectern values (such as not lying through their teeth when they think they can get away with it So you never actually followed anything, nor watched closely, got it. >Zelensky was going to get voted out before all this went down. You could've waited, you had decent soft power. That's a lie and you know it. There is no "soft power" in the puppet state. We're not interested in empty promises ala second France.

>>25749946 holy shit >we this >we that enjoy your trip out of a window. or maybe you're just on the wrong flight one day and get blasted to smithereens.

>>25749946 Any more closely and I'd be one of those regrettable existences who publish daily takes about the war on youtube or twitter. > That's a lie and you know it. Nah democracy really does work like that. The people are welcome to elect any random idiot and sometimes they do, especially if the country isn't doing well. You had a legal vehicle (the Union State), you had the whole script set up, you just would've had to keep rolling the dice until you get a president that rises to the bait. EU wouldn't have done anything about it except express deeb goncern, but not as a matter of principle since they use the same script when they integrate a country. US, maybe, but as you can see they're getting tired of adventures in Europe and their eventual departure had been predicted for a decade or two. Really, you could've just waited.

>>25749946 you are embarrassingly simple-minded no wonder people say russians are pale niggers

>>25750018 I'm going to say it once, since you're either a genuine imbecile or pretending to be one. Russia already waited 30 years for the Ukraine to stop being retarded. This is never happening so long as there are foreign interests lobbying inside. After the coup, there's effectively a puppet state in the first place, and pro-Russian parties were explicitly forbidden. It's a lawless zone from then on. Why should Russia wait another 20 years for a mere chance at getting we want instead of solving the problem at the root cause? They will never tire of anything so long as NGOs keep sponsoring them. The Trump situation is only a fluke of fate without which the usual lobbying would continue as per usual. Finally, US takeover means a direct security threat to us, and they already admitted it as a legit concern. Especially given admission of biolabs with covid and all but accepting responsibility for the coup. Again, were it anyone else, such USA and Mexico situation, they wouldn't have been a question in the first place. They'd wreck the shit out of it and would be right.

>>25750062 >They will never tire of anything so long as NGOs keep sponsoring them Funny that as a Russian you would be so familiar with corruption yet be unable to spot the western type. NGOs are a way to funnel money to the politically well connected. They're pretty terrible as far as results go. > They'd wreck the shit out of it and would be right. No that's nigger behavior. Western states don't get into that situation in the first place. We do trade deals and mutual interdependence and with anybody that isn't you monkeys, it works. > Why should Russia wait another 20 years for a mere chance at getting we want 20 years is not a long time. Though I admit, you need an amount internal stability for that strategy that Russia lacks.

>>25750102 >NGOs are a way to funnel money to the politically well connected. They're pretty terrible as far as results go. Not necessarily. And not necessarily NGOs. People in power receive their tithe, but there are some results. Moulding the public opinion over a course of decades is a viable option for them, even if they failed to turn Ukraine democratically, i.e. Yanukovich. NGO-funded newspapers still held a large portion of the audience. Enough to attempt a colour revolution even here. >No that's nigger behavior. Western states don't get into that situation in the first place. Tell that to the many places wrecked by USA under one pretext or the other. Because they wanted to do their own thing without dependence. >20 years is not a long time. Without guarantees. It's just empty proposition. Just like Ukraine wasn't accepted in EU. Or Turkey. All these legal proceedings only matter if they go in your favour. Otherwise politicians in Georgia, Slovakia, Romania get threatened or assassinated. And then things for the intended way. That's enough, this isn't honest arguing, or you're really deluded enough to believe in the institutions over backroom dealing.

>>25750139 >politicians [...] assassinated That's squarely your playbook, not ours. You need to stop projecting. Only then you can separate our actual behavior from your own habits. > this isn't honest arguing nigga you're dropping straight up alternate histories ("coup") you left the territory of truth long ago. I don't engage with it because I've had that discussion too many times. Anyway I still hope you took something good out of the conversation, whatever that may be, good night.

>>25750102 >20 years is not a long time. Though I admit, you need an amount internal stability for that strategy that Russia lacks. What are you talking about. Russia is very stable, Putin is at power for literally a quarter of a century, without any signs of revolutionary activity or even political opposition activity. They all are either moved out or dead. Most Russians support Putin or just don't interfere.

>>25750203 He has no successor is his problem. What he built is too stable and eventually he's going to die.

Its all a goofy ass show. So many resources expended in the last few years on ukraine. He'd need full alliance with other nations to attack anything related to nato. Even with US trying to back out. No one wants to fuck up global money. The lenders have no desire.

>>25750208 I bet he will live for another 20 years at least.

>>25750220 im not even a putler hater or anything but i reckon he wont make it to 2030, the bloke has cancer unironically

>>25750219 the jews run the world for all intents and purposes. the war in ukraine doesnt directly affect jewish interests so it was allowed to continue. if anything, it benefits the jews because it caused assad's regime to fall in syria and the jews are now even more stronger in the region what the jews want more than anything is a war versus Iran