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Shitlib talking points Bernd Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:21:53 GMT No. 25662326 [Kohl] [Report thread]
I was just having a "conversation" with DeepSeek to look into Bernd's claim about it being "woke", and somehow it brought up Uyghur forced labor entirely unprompted - I only suggested outsourcing manufacturing and agriculture to nations like China and Brasil. This really made me wonder - just how much neolib junk is in the ether? Is it really orders of magnitude more than any other mode of "political thought"? Surely this can't all be a result of shill farms, right? Yes, I know that people just buy into whatever their rulers say, but do they actually engage in endless chatter about politics - specifically geopolitics - to the point that models with supposedly minimal steering become so thoroughly poisoned? Where do they congregate? Where do they speak? I only see mundane chatter about personalities, and inane bickering surrounding identity politics and whatnot. Am I just reading too much into it?
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Bernd Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:50:05 GMT No. 25662482 >>25662488 >>25662634
I constantly run into token limits with Mistral and ChatGPT. It is painful but who knows, perhaps I will prevail.
Bernd Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:50:57 GMT No. 25662488
>>25662482 DuckDuckGo has them for free with no limits.
Bernd Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:56:36 GMT No. 25662516 >>25662634
>Bernd would rather talk with AI than his fellow Bernds
Bernd Tue, 18 Mar 2025 00:06:35 GMT No. 25662578 >>25662634
I can't get that garbage to talk about politics at all, especially relating to China
Bernd Tue, 18 Mar 2025 00:15:01 GMT No. 25662634
>>25662482 Why would you want to use Mistral, especially non-locally? >>25662516 Honestly, I've just used them to coom. However, as I said, I wanted to verify Bernd's claims about DeepSeek's political tilt. >>25662578 I had no issues, and I was using their website as you could see. Actually, I've never had DeepSeek outright reject a single prompt, but the overwhelming majority of my usage was through their api, which might have a different system prompt.
Bernd Tue, 18 Mar 2025 00:18:55 GMT No. 25662654 >>25662699
1. Media are controlled by the same groups that control or comprise the government. It's easy to see with every hot news in West: all publishers and agencies repeat the same words without even bothering to make their own take or spin. 2. NPCs - when they're well fed by their own standards always repeat whatever bullshit media tells them. When media tells them that ISIS is bad and so NATO must bomb Syria to "help" to protect Syria from ISIS invasion - Swedes were like "Yeah! Bomb ISIS! ISIS bad!" but when media tells that "ISIS is actually good - we put those guys in charge of Syria. ISIS brought Syria freedom and democracy! Only bad people are getting killed by Israel and ISIS in Syria now!" - Swedes are like "Yeah! ISIS is great! It's good for democracy and for people in Syria! Syria is now safe! All children from Syria should be returned back to now free and prosperous and safe Syria!". Politic passiveness is dependent on needs of an NPC. The less intellectually and culturally developed an NPC is the less it needs to become passive. Low class rabble needs extremely little to become passive - this is why tyrants fight against and destroy culture and intelligence as the lowest cattle stays passive if their are just given a rotten banana in their mouth to munch on. 3. Now all NPCs simply repeat the same wording, the same labels, and the same titles they picked from media. 4. Infospace gets flooded with coined phrases. Such as "Uygur death camps".
Bernd Tue, 18 Mar 2025 00:29:59 GMT No. 25662699
>>25662654 >Infospace gets flooded with coined phrases. Such as "Uygur death camps". Yeah, I overlooked how memetic this particular phrase actually is. However, I don't really see normies actually going deeper into geopolitics, at least not sufficiently enough as to provide adequate data for the model to (be inclined to) regurgitate. I could take a peak at books and academic literature, and they are mostly bland and lack the fervent bias that LLMs seem to have. I surmise that there are more anti-establishment randos chatting online about geopolitical woes than normies chanting whatever flavour of the month mantra they were told to wave. Shouldn't this online discourse outweigh a couple million news articles? Even leftist spaces do not buy into whatever the models are spouting - this is a pure think-tank position that no one would enthusiastically keep spreading. I just don't understand why that is the default mode - at least for DeepSeek - when I could just tell the model to be a third positionist or a tankie, and get cogent answers from it.
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