how could He take on my sins 2000 years before I committed them?

>>25648687 If you believe in Him He takes on your sins after you win them I guess. I am not a theologian so I don't know for sure, I am merely a hobbyist. But to me that makes the most sense.

>>25648687 If you believe in Him He takes on your sins after you sin them I guess. I am not a theologian so I don't know for sure, I am merely a hobbyist. But to me that makes the most sense.

>>25648743 Don't you have to take Jesus into your heart first ?

Praise Jebus!

WHEN YOU WALK WITH JESUS You'll never walk alone

Not necessarily. He sacrificed himself to pay for our sins. In the Old Hebrew religion you'd have to sacrifice animals to attone for your sins, in the New Covenant he became the sacrifice himself, that's why Christians stopped sacrificing animals.

That is how the story goes if I am remembering correctly.

>>25648678 Christ is this very moment, happening.

>>25649934 The Word became flesh and dwells among us.

>>25648834 would it be a sin to offer a cow to god?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kourbania gayreeks sacrifice (""offer"") animals to saints and god

>>25648687 He's God DUUUHHH

>>25650711 Actually God requires us sacrifices but the sacrifice was perfected with Jesus so there shouldn't be other sacrifice under the New Covenant than the Eucharist, and if you don't practice sacrifices to God you ain't worshipping it.

yes.

>>25650732 yes whatever that's besides the point. if I offer a cow to god and slice its throat like you offer a candle to san malverde why would it not be allowed? just a gift bro

chicano can't argue against this logic

yes but you still need providence channeled through the perfect conduit of human-divine cooperation LALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

The coming of Jesus was announced by the prophets and wise men of old: saiah 6:6-7 "Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. With it he touched my mouth and said, 'See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.'" He healed the lepers by touching them and taken their sickness with him and yet the sickness and pain did not affected him, he did the same for the sinners The pure heart will clean the world around it by taking all the pain and dirty and yet will remain clean because what is truly pure cannot be corrupted

>>25650736 You need to understand what a sacrifice is, is not a gift, sacrifices are made to make others pay for your sins. Jews try to jew God by torturing torturing chikens, they sacrifice lambs and sometimes even kids, it all revolves around making others pay for your crimes, the pure the being, the great the cleansing of your sins. Jesus Christ, God's only son was sent by his father to dwell among us, by his sacrifice we are redeemed and worthy of our creator love. The blind see, the lame walk, the sons love their parent's and the parents love their sons

>>25650880 wrong, there's a difference between a sacrifice and an offering according to christian theology. even if you are doing the same an offering is just a gift, so if you cut a bull's throat off to god you are just gifting him that bull, not sacrificing, since it's not done to atone sins according to that theology precisely because of what you said. Why would it be forbidden? I saw bunches of copium but there's nothing on the NT stating that god doesn't accept animal "offerings" or any other offerings

Even after some christian schooling, I'm still too much of a heathen to understand any of the salvation and sin stuff. Even if I thought it might be real and not just a jewish con, it's all just too retarded.

>>25650906 Bernd, you cant appease God, there's nothing you have he want despite your love, you cant trade with him, you cant negotiate with him, this kind of tought is related with the prosperity theology and this is a protestant thing. Cutting a animal throat in vain is just destroying his creation, all creation were given to man by God, so we could tend and protect it in the name of the creator

>>25650965 the contradictory position to everything you say is also found in the bible

>>25650736 You seem to don't understand that Jesus was the Lamb of God that died for our sins, hence why sacrifices of animals would be considered idolatry for Christians because you were denying that Jesus Christ died for our sins. I don't know who San Malverde is, is it a saint of Anglicans? Because there is not a saint with that name in Catholicism. >>25650758 If you are referring to me as Chicano you clearly are an ignorant who doesn't know that that word means and you should update your vocabulary because I as an ESL know what that word means but you don't, I'm a Mexican not a Chicano.

>>25651067 how is sacrificing worshipping the animal, and if it is, why was that cool before jesus?

"Jesus died for my sins so I can do everything I want without consequences because I am saved" - average christian schizoid

>>25650965 lol what. suffering is prime god appeasement in catholicism >>25651067 but it wouldn't be a sacrifice, but an offering. when your cousins offer candles to a dead relatives they are sacrificing stuff to them, deifying them? your logic is flawed

I wasn't even born 2000 years ago.

>>25651163 yeah but your sins started 6kya, or whenever adam fucked shit up because

>>25650965 Genesis 1:26 (KJV) "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Genesis 1:28 (KJV) "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." Mark 5:11-13 (also in Matthew 8:28-34 & Luke 8:32-33) "Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand,) and were choked in the sea." - St. Thomas Aquinas (Summa Theologica, Part II-II, Question 64, Article 1, Reply Obj. 3) "Dumb animals and plants are devoid of the life of reason. And hence it is that there is no fellowship between us and them, as there is between us and other men. Now the life of animals and plants is preserved not for themselves, but for man. Therefore, by killing them or using them in any other way whatsoever, man does not commit a sin." >St. Aquinas argues that animals exist for human use, but cruelty to animals is still wrong if it leads to cruelty toward humans. Other early Christian thinkers with similar views: ✅ Augustine (suggested animals have no eternal souls) ✅ Clement of Alexandria (animals are for human use)

>>25648755 saved from what?

>>25651194 Aaaaand. God liked animal sacrifices in the OT. Simple logic that he would still like it anyways as an offering in the NT. Why worry.

>>25651199 Genesis 4:3-5 (KJV) "And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering: But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell." Genesis 8:20-21 (KJV) "And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done." he even rejected some dull plants and made the guy who offered them cry and preferred the beef sacrifice. then with noah it uses the word offering (god said noah was blameless, he couldnt sacrifice to atone for something if he was virtually perfect), and he liked the killed and smashed birds vegans btfo

I love Jesus Christ so much it's unreal.

spics = destroyed

>>25648678 Thieving bitch better takes his hands off my sins.

>>25651136 I never said that, if you start sacrificing animals to God it would mean you don't recognize the sacrifice of Jesus Christ which is God incarnated, who already sacrificed himself for us, hence all sacrifices are meaningless after our God sacrificed himself for us. God created covenants between man and God according to the level of civilization they had developed. For Adam and Eve the covenant was marriage, for Noah it was the family, for Abraham the tribe, the covenant with Moses took the form of the twelve tribes as a national family, the Covenant with David established the family as a Kingdom, but Jesus established the New Covenant to be a Wordly Family, or Catholic (universal) to include the whole world. >>25651194 >>25651199 God demanded sacrifices for the people in the Old Covenant as it was their understanding, we Christians aren't in the Old Covenant but in the New, all animal sacrifices are meaningless (this doesn't mean animals are equal to us) because the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus said he didn't come to destroy the Old Covenant but to fulfill it, hence he became the sacrifice himself.

Only the elect

>>25651368 Are you blind? I already wrote down millions of times it wouldn't be a sacrifice but an offering, and noah does this. According to the same logic all candles and stuff that catholics do are not permissible, and god really enjoys animals that you kill for him according to the old testament but somehow you keep repeating the same things

No, I didn't do anything wrong. The Aryan race has no inherent sin. If Jesus of Nazareth was divine, then only a Gnostic explanation is possible because the jew torah is not real.

we dont believe in christ but we live in christian calendar steeped in christian culture - how does that not affect the reality?

i am not even sure if its all fake, not just christianity, maybe judaic religion is also just cope and jewish god doesnt exist?

>>25652749 what does the talmud say about homos like you?

nope

there is no proof of that

>>25651368 you were the one who said idolatory. if you have an esoteric definition of the word, you should have led with that. > Jesus said he didn't come to destroy the Old Covenant but to fulfill it, hence he became the sacrifice himself. Mat|5|17| Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.~ Mat|5|18| For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.~ Mat|5|19| Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.~