There were never any valid arguments, only autistic screeching.

it's over, luddites lost

Usecase for systemd when S6 exists?

>>25644622 systemd just works and is in the most useful linuxes like ubuntu

>>25644640 Lol, try setting up systemd in LFS.

>>25644652 >LFS That's your best argument against systemd? Seriously?

>>25644658 It is just my argument against systemd being something that "just works".

Thumb drive boots up what can it be? A fresh Linux distro rollin SystemD It opens up a window and it starts to yell "You have to agree to the GPL" Cuz the boyz with the *Nix are always hard Come talking that trash and we'll pull your card Knowin nothin in life but to be legit Don't quote me, boy, I ain't said shit

>>25644675 It does literally just work, on any modern distro.

>>25644687 Any init works fine. However systemd tendrils like udev are the main issue. Now we have niggers booting their computers using systemd.

> Breaking promises, immaturity, and (in)stability > Scope creep > Absurd bugs and responses > Conceptional problems > Scope creep leads to vulnerabilities > Poor design > Ignorance of fundamental operating system concepts Mostly still valid. Not that it matters. The instability is still a problem I run into because they deprecated yet another thing without migrating it properly. Some things are neat though, like recently I could put a second sshd instance in a VPN as a matter of of copying a service file, not sure it would've been that easy in the old style. And the biggest pro argument (dependency based init) is also still going in favor of systemd.

>>25644715 That's only an issue with distros that had neglectful maintainers.

>>25644723 It's literally impossible to make a good init system with a bunch of bash scripts. And I wouldn't expect distro maintainers to deal with such a burden.

My biggest day to day gripe is that it's really hard to track down why something is running a job at 2am because it's either a systemd timer, a user timer, a cronjob, or something else entirely. I can see how it ends up this way but it's still annoying.

systemd is fine, autists just hate it

I asked myself something similar concerning >Unprivileged user namespace usage Does Bernd disable it?

I dont want to do services pre systemd again, theres no watchdogs or other nicities it becomes unstandardized tapenings

There was no debate, it was always shit.

>>25644699 >Now we have niggers booting their computers using systemd. You mean systemd-boot? I use it

>>25645024 Why are you proud of being a nigger?

>>25645032 i am contrarian

Bump

I remember arguing with some niggers about how systemd was just fine, and it turned out that they had never written a systemd unit in their life. I realized then and there that there never was a debate.

>>25644477 Yes there were, systemd gobbled too many functionalities and compromised modularity

>>25646567 Systemd is modular. What you actually meant to say is that systemd's modules are better than most of the alternatives which is why it replaced them.

systemd is shit its like a mini-windows on your machine it serves no real purpose over other inits other than booting up and shutting down a few seconds faster, at the cost of all soul

>>25646717 Sorry I like computers fast. Your zoomer sovlfvl shit goes into trash

>>25646604 Systemd replaced the alternatives because a large corporation that controls much of the Linux ecosystem willed it, and it did so by locking out competition, not by winning competition. >>25646792 >Sorry I like computers fast. Great, then you're against systemd too. Runit boots faster.

There isn't a single linux distro available without systemd that you wouldn't spend hours configuring the clock to work

>>25647524 I didn't slend hours configuring gentoo, cope

>>25647524 PCLinuxOS works right out of the box.

>>25647530 After hours compiling the clock you probably wouldn't

>>25647546 Does it work with nvidia shit?

>>25647549 I didn't compile any clock

>>25647572 Yes, even steam gaymes work without any setup, aside from enabling compatibility mode like you'd do in any distro.

>>25648100 nobody forced you to use systemd

>>25648289 almost everybody did only devuan is left basically

>>25648332 retard

Systemd Wayland GNOME The holy trinity

>>25648388 All DEs are moving to Wayland. Slowly but they are.

Home come that bsd lives without this shit?

>>25648414 BSD doesn't do the "we're not an operating system larp". However BSD doesn't have any GUI stuff and has the same X11/Wayland bullshit as Linux.

>>25644423 >Are those arguments against systemd still valid? More than ever. > Are the bugs still out there? Bugs play on the other side when the design is fundamentally rotten. > Is there still a point in not using systemd? Not being a nigger monkey. Wait ..

>>25648414 I had six years uptime on one of my FrreBSD servers last year. Guess how much I care about boot being 0.2 seconds faster (especially since server motherboards still can spend whole two minutes doing their POST shit).

>>25648398 Wayland is the same double-context-switch userland graphics shit as X11 always was.

>>25648480 Wayland uses less context switches than X11.

>>25648497 It uses more than needed.

>>25648531 Everything does.

>>25648534 No. The core of the issue is that those people are retards who like to larp than people use their GUI computers as multiuser mainframes and Alice should be protected from Bob's desktop crashing. Utter delusion.

>>25648549 (Whereas the real issue is that your Tux Racer game runs at the same UID as needed to access your work spreadsheets is entirely ignored. Heck, Windows doesn't do that, why bother, lmao, right?)

>>25648549 Modern computers have lots of software and you don't want one part writing god knows where. Current hardware memory protection mechanisms use rings as far as I know.

>>25648585 > rings 20286 was in the 80s. 386+ use other methods (pages).

>>25648592 It seems your right. I don't know too much about this area.

>>25648373 tranny

>>25648554 So maybe don't run tux racer as same user as one that can access your work, why should wayland care about this.

>>25648398 this just proves that DEs are for retarded niggers