whoever jesus is to you now, he was a bad person

>>25637572 Replying only makes this threda stronger.

World domination cult invented by a bunch of greeks with too much time in Anatolia

>>25637593 Woah I thought Jews created this, now it's the Greeks, which is it?

haha assburg

In my opinion, things like religion tend to be forced upon people. Like mass migration. Study history and it is always Muslim/Christians bribing local kings. And the kings order their people convert.

>>25637596 The first version of new testament was written in Greek A real jesus who might've resided in Levant would've spoken Aramic

Jesus Christ was the original Karl Marx That's why his religion spread so far and wide. Because everyone needs a dose of Christian Communism

>>25637602 >In my opinion, things like religion tend to be forced upon people. Like mass migration. Study history and it is always Muslim/Christians bribing local kings. And the kings order their people convert. Force, coercion, and bribing is almost always the case for Islam. In comparison to Christianity can we say similar?

>>25637631 Jesus didn't tell people to revolt explicitly though, I think this is a false analogy.

Christianity was artificially manufactured (by God)

>>25637657 Kek..

When it was Christ - as the Son of Man and Archmagus - it was an organic movement. Once he was killed on the order of the Archons for being disruptive to their plans, then his movement was infiltrated with bad actors (e.g., Paul et al) who subverted the movement and turned it into an instrument for the Priesthood to control the masses, a la the parable of the Grand Inquisitor.

I read somewhere the rise of Christianity in the Roman empire was mostly due to a higher fertility rate among its believers.

>>25637677 I read something similar, that it was probably because it was more practical for most pagans to worship a single god with minimal rituals, so it was easier to get people to become christians (and thus culturally integrate them into the empire) than to get them to worship the roman gods.

Is there anyone here more informed about this than the current posters in the threda??

100% psyop with the single goal to destroy Rome, then it got out of hand because of opium.

Obviously enforced by the imperial administration to homogenize the peoples it ruled over There's also how other universalist religions were preaching in Rome hoping to be picked by the emperor but the jewish clerical structure proved effective in beating its competitors. I can post a PDF of a study on it later if you want

>>25637838 >100% psyop with the single goal to destroy Rome Do you have 100% evidence this is the case??

and this is where it comes from

>>25637870 Oh it's you, hi I will respectfully disregard your opinion tbh

>>25637839 This says nothing about the origins of the religion.

>>25637602 >islam and christianity. where judaism?

it was not natural but preordered from metropolis. easy proof. there were two fonts - roman capitalis monumentalis writen in the city by christian nobility and roman rustica aka pagane rustica written by peasants outside of the city. The rustica script was usually used for de luxe copies of pagan authors; so the letters of the pagans were those of the people outside of the city. the city was occupied by jewish (((christian))) nobility

>>25637855 Yes.

>>25637665 This could also be true, to some extent, but unless we get further evidence on 1st century Palestine there's nothing else we can say about it.

It was spread by the rulers.

>>25638078 I'm not concerned what it was used for eventually, I am only concerned with what it was initially.

It seems nobody here knows for certain, as I suspected, it's like talking to myself.

>>25637961 Christianity spread into cities first, while the rural areas remained "pagan" which comes from pagus, a small administrative location So you had large cities with Christian religion predominant and rural areas where people still kept their OG traditions Just like today where cities are multicultural hellholes while rural areas tend to be more homogenous Sadly the large masses wins the race to the bottom

For all the bashing Christianity gets by its opponents, it doesn't seem to me atleast that it's been critically examined by them. A reasonable person would consider going back to the source of this, whether proponent or opponent, and go from there. We shouldn't start with what we know of Christianity, of what it eventually became.

>>25638137 >>25638138 You're saying it went into the cities but you don't know the exactly origin, what its purpose was, etc.

A deadend subject, but let's see if we can try to reason to the source.

>>25637561 Christianity only became such after jeebus death, so it obviously wasn't organic, also Paul (Saul the jew) had to tell the goyim to ignore "the law" in order to gain more converts, even tougher jeebus clearly said to follow the law Everything that came after was a mix of population control and the poor seeking comfort in a religion that accepted anyone

>>25638166 Unfortunately this is still insufficient to what we're trying to prove here.

>>25638166 Ok so the founder dies, let's suppose this happened, there were followers and disciples of this guy and so what were they about exactly? We don't know it seems.

>>25638166 I'm not talking about Paul by the way, I know he comes after this with a different set of beliefs.

>>25638153 The apostles had to teach the people of "the world" about jeebus, it's what their mission was, fuck you're asking?

>>25638186 I'm asking what exactly is the truth of the matter concerning Christianity's origins, we can only go so far with this as amateurs in this topic tbh, unless you know something I don't.

Is there anyone else who can connect more dots on this matter

>>25638186 What you're saying is something I already know, I've already looked at this numerous times from both sides.

>>25638183 >>25638197 They had to teach about his doctrine, that's what the mission of the apostles were, to talk about jeebus, his works, his teachings, his miracles It didn't spread in the beginning exactly because they had to follow jew laws which are obviously retarded

>>25638227 This is not telling me anything.

>>25638227 What you state is obvious to any amateur who has looked at this.

>>25638245 Well you're retarded

>>25638251 I'm not retarded, you're retarded for saying the obvious.

>>25638251 Do you have anything else you want to add to this or are you going to say stuff anyone already knows here?

spread by romans to pacify the barbarians

>>25638266 No because there's nothing else to it You could try to read about celsus and origen I guess to see some p"hilosophy" about it

>>25637561 >was Jewish subversion an organic movement? I wonder

This is the problem I think when seriously discussing things that Bernd is an amateur to, we can only go so far as the information permits, usually from reading widely known sources on the subject matter. But this doesn't get to the core of the issue that otherwise professional people could possibly ascertain. Yes I already know it was a Jewish sect, yes I already know that, this in itself doesn't go very far. We don't know anything about Jesus save for the Bible or a brief mention by Tacitus, we don't know anything else about this but what came later years after. I just want to know more about this, is that too much to ask?

>>25638310 It's Jewish subversion coupled with goyim retardedness, you can't say its all thanks to Jews, the goyim outdone their expectations

>>25638309 This is like brushing off UFO abduction victims and saying it was "all in their mind", then simply ignoring it for convenience sake.

You can't simply Occam's Razor everything and explain it away so casually, reality isn't so cut and dry as that sometimes.

>>25638399 There isn't any information other than that, the earliest fathers are the apostles and then some patriarchs who had their own agendas for power, I'm sorry my dude but that's all there is

>>25638441 What is publicly given as information, yes.. I know.

I guess this is just a deadend thread then.

>>25638456 Everything else is mere speculation and as I said earlier it's Jewish subversion coupled with goyim retardedness

>>25638470 Have you considered astral projecting to Jesus and asking Him yourself?

Christianity was one of the few religions who spread through cultural superiority

Who cares about Jesus when there's the Allfather. Hail unto Odin, blessed be the court of the Aesir. Asatru is the only true way.

>>25637561 If something doesn't make sense, there is a need to find a secret reason behind it. This is where conspiracy theories come from. However, they're often just a product of ignorance. If you knew more about early Christianity, it would make perfect sense to you that it grew the way it did without any reason for some hidden manufacturers to be at play.

>>25638491 Lel, good joge >>25638456 Early Christianity is even more of a clusterfuck with many sects interpreting jeebus words differently, one day you were a respected teacher, next day you were ans heretic John Chrisostom also has important stuff but it's not early Christianity anymore...

>>25638501 >If you knew more about early Christianity, it would make perfect sense to you that it grew the way it did without any reason for some hidden manufacturers to be at play. Bernd has reason to think it could've been hidden Jewish manufacturers or social engineers, that is to say it was all Jewish lies and it wasn't organic and Jesus wasn't real. He has good reason to think this. But we're never going to know for certain since the Bible really does have nice kernels of truth, and tbh, this does kind of irritate me.

Even Adam Green was trying to razor this and say, "What is more likely?" Yes what is more likely, it's more likely that it's all a ruse, that it is a ruse and a cult for people to latch onto. But there's also a chance it wasn't a ruse. But we'll never know so, be that as it may, I will leave my own thread but I'll keep it open if somebody knows more about this.

>>25638542 Look at the context too Romans were wrecking judea at the time and Greek culture was predominant, middle east and Egypt were speaking koine Greek while paying taxes to some cesar in a city they couldn't even find on map

>>25638618 I just don't see why they would bother to laboriously go through penning bullshit down and then distributing it to the Gentile masses, especially if it would harm themselves. It just doesn't seem cognizant enough for even Jews.

>>25638618 If it even is bullshit from the very start.

>>25638692 Maybe they tried to keep some identity while being scattered around the world

It was organic but it gained real pulse and traction after the roman leadership converted into it and cut the support of other religions/forced their new religion upon others.

>>25638730 Still to me, it's more likely this was an organic movement of Jewish heretics that the real Jews didn't want to affiliate with but infiltrated later for their own goals.

>>25638804 >jewish heretics Pretty much, remember, christianity at it's core was a religion of proselytes. The Bible shows that at it's beginning they had divisions about opening it to non-jews, which won the argument. It was a new religion born from city dwellers living inside a multicultural atmosphere of hellenism.

>>25638730 Not just the Jews but the rulers in coordination with to subdue populations.

manufactured by jesus his followers duh

>>25637637 >In comparison to Christianity can we say similar? How are you so ignorant of the religion you seem to follow?

>>25640563 I'm not a follower of this religion, I am however neutral about it because from my perspective I don't know enough about it to have any sort of stance about it, still, after having discussed this with opponents of this religion.

>>25637561 The infestation of Judeo-Christianity was obviously engineered by the Jewish cabal.

when missionaries moved north into europe they wrote and discussed how best to lie to convince people because the dogmatic and autistic ones kept failing when they said too much about their religion

>>25640685 What were the lies and what were they trying to cover up

>>25640706 like maybe don't tell the duke his ancestors are all going to hell, basically hiding that they were using it to pacify them I've got a book with a bunch of notes on this but it's an hour away.

>>25640754 You can post it later if you want, I'd be interested to know these conversion methods

>>25640636 Isn't lying a sin?

>>25640765 Supposedly, what of it?

>>25638078 like your mum spread her fanny to me