Please employ me in France. You have no idea how bad it is here.

poortugal

ah, portugal, under iminent threat from... dolphins

>>25634462 They WILL die for hohols

the security of europe demands a fleet of 100 rafale to finnish air force. immediately.

a poorfag couldn't afford a decent item so he ended up buying cheap junk at a chinese flea market

>>25634481 the sad thing is that garbage like grippen and rafale are actually more expensive than f-35.

>>25634495 No, Gripen is cheaper.

>>25634508 nah

>>25634517 Yes, it is.

>>25634508 for bad goys perhaps. for good goys like me f-35 and technology to maintain it was sold at discount.

For once I am OK with the timeline in which the machinations of retarded rich faggots in America bring them financial ruin

>>25634537 Who is ruined?

>>25634537 yes, the loss of poortugal's potential purchase of 3 F-35 will bring USA to its knees.

>>25634540 >>25634545

>>25634548 kek

>>25634453 Most of Europe already owns F35 and is locked in an asphyxiation chokehold by USA for the next 30-40 years before the airframes become obsolete.

What is the use of F-35's if POTUS can just decide to ban you from using them (effectively) at any point? I bet they have some remote kill switch in them too.

>>25634453 >>25634453 >>25634495 >>25634508 How many 'European alternatives' are there really? The only 100% european jet fighter is Rafale (all components are french as far as I know) Gripen is riddled with american components, and probably Eurofighter Typhoon is too. poccnr are of course not regarded as european

>>25634742 yes. this is why we must suck french cock. what a sad timeline.

>>25634755 France is awesome though. What's so bad about France? according to you

>>25634768 >renault makes fine engines >peugeot makes beautiful designs >citroen makes l'exellente suspension systems france is more than alright. they just have a bad reputation because they got spanked by germans for 200 years.

>>25634742 Alternatives to a 5th gen fighter? None.

>>25634923 Europeans skipped the 5th gen, they are already thinking about the 6th geneation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Combat_Air_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Combat_Air_Programme

>4th gen Axaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa pathetic

>>25634942 yes you are gypsy

>>25634495 Wow Just wow Fucking cucks. Good that Austria is not in that subhuman alliance so my tax money doesn‘t go on this dumb shit.

>>25634528 >over lifetime cope LMAO imagine buying inferior craps for the same price.

>>25634742 There isn‘t, EU-nuchs can not in to 5th generation fighters.

>>25634939 >thinking Topcope

>>25634939 They skipped it so hard, that it's available in 2 decades. But europe needs 5th gen NOW. Not in 2040.

We are still waiting for the 1st generation gypsy aircraft btw.

>>25634508 >>25634528 Are you fucktards really arguing here with screenshots of chatbot replies? Nuclear war can't come quick enough.

>>25634517 >>25634528 Are you fucktards really arguing here with screenshots of chatbot replies? Nuclear war can't come quick enough.

>>25634708 It's hardly a new thing France said they'd stop supplying parts and ammo for Aussie Mirage III's if we used them in Vietnam It's the risk every nation weighs up when they don't design and build their own equipment

>>25635766 >if we used them in Vietnam

>>25634453 Trump is the only modern President that sincerely wants Europe to be militarily competent and independent. Why do people think this is bad? Encouraging noble people like Euros and Japs to be dependent on us is sickening. Thankfully, French and Finnish engineers and patriots seem ok with booting us out. Germans will eventually get onboard...

>>25635789 I did not see it that way. Interesting POV

Yes, because if there's one thing Portugal is known for, it's the need for an airforce. The market for jets in Portugal is so huge! How will America ever recover?!

>>25635777 The only reason France does anything, it didn't want Anglos embarrassing them Lucky for them it was all for nothing >>25635789 Why do you think Trump has a 'plan'? I wouldn't trust him to drive me to the supermarket and park the car. He isn't a geopolitical wizard.

Poortugalia just don't have money but wanted to save face.

Sorry, can't sell Sukhoys and MiGs, gonna need them myself in ww3.

>>25635823 After the gulf carts and the donkeys, I wouldn't be surprise if we see Yak-3 flying at some point of the war.

>>25635831 F-16/22/35, eurofighters, grippens and all will still be losing to it like all the western armor is losing to donkeys.

>>25635831 Ukrainian use the Yak-52 to shoot down drones.

>>25635927 Only when they can't intercept it with their faces.

Good for them. Can't count on an erratic morons in these matters

>>25635886 Imagine losing an BVR fight in an F-22 to a russian donkey

Fucking porker craving attention, lol

I wish Switzerland would cancel its order of 36 F-35 too and buy SAAB Gripen instead, but Switzerland is too corrupt and has no balls, so it likely won't happen. Best would be if Switzerland bought a few Sukhoi or Mikoyan to make mad alle.

>>25635982 They'll never know what hit them.

It is ogre for USA MEGA will prevail

>>25636073 I bet VTOL does not matter that much if the airbase is inside a mountain.

>>25636073 https://www.20min.ch/story/schweizer-armee-warum-kommt-es-im-vbs-zu-so-vielen-flops-103265445#:~:text=Der%20wetterf%C3%BChlige-,Kampfjet,-Er%20tr%C3%A4gt%20zwar Die 36 Tarnkappen-Jets F-35A Lightning II, welche die Schweiz für sechs Milliarden bestellt hat, müssen einen Abstand von mindestens 40 Kilometern zu Gewittern halten. Schlägt ein Blitz ein, könnte das Flugzeug in Brand geraten. The 36 F-35A Lightning II stealth jets, which Switzerland ordered for six billion Swiss francs, must stay at least 40 kilometers away from thunderstorms. If lightning strikes, the aircraft could catch fire. well fugg

>>25636073 >Best would be if Switzerland bought a few Sukhoi or Mikoyan to make mad alle.

>>25635814 You'd have to be a certain type of American to understand. But simply ask: if 1960s John Birch Society types won the Presidency, what would happen? NATO: gone, and the whole American-made post-1945 "rules-based world order" gone. IRS: gone. Federal Reserve: gone (no evidence of this happening yet). White "colonials" supported (Afrikaner problems getting official acknowledgement). Making the country the exact opposite of what it has been since 1945.

I am ashamed as a Pole-Central European that we bought these useless f-35 instead of EUROfighters or Rafales or Gripen or Abrams crap instead of Leo 2A8

>>25636834 A few months ago you made a thread congratulating Poland for increasingly being valued more by the USA than Germany. What made Uncle Sams' dick taste bad all of a sudden?

>>25636834 Problem was more the time frame new Leo2's can be delivered. The Abrams are a gapfiller until enough K2 variants are build in Poland anyway. F35 was a mistake yes.

>>25634495 > grippen and rafale are actually more expensive than f-35. Make you special price!

>>25636866 Im pan EUROpean nationalist fuck sharts, russichinks and shitskins

>>25636883 I doubt these prices very much. Furthermore, everytime a F-35 wants to take off, Uncle Sam needs to be told the purpose of the flight, destination and whatnot and asked for permission. Imagine buying a fighter jet to defend your country but Uncle Sam having a say if you're actually allowed to use it for that purpose, and that for the entire life-span of the F-35.

>>25636869 >new Leo2's can be delivered. The Abrams are a gapfiller until enough K2 variants are build in Poland anyway. I see Poland follows Australian procurement rules for submarines

>>25636834 If the BND operative in charge of the country keeps doing doing BND stuff we'll end up like Turkey, with no F-35, no money (no refunds!) and no logistical support for our amerishart gear. On the upshot maybe it will kickstart our industry when we need to bang out bootleg spare parts for our F-16s in a hurry.

>>25637002 we live with germany on symbiosis today, they want peacfull border on the east, we are today part of german sphere of influence - Mittle Europa they don't want Poles as enemies, Central Europe should be a geopolitical unity unity in strenght against enemies of Europe

Pooertugal is irrelevant, at this stage they'd be better just pooling with Spain to make some stronk Iberia alliance don't try and take back Gibraltar though

>>25637022 >Pooertugal is irrelevant It's a signal. First it starts with Portugal and then others will follow. It would be interesting to see a poll about the opinion of Europeans on the purchase of fighter jets. I have no doubt majority would pick European ones now.

>>25634476 >rafale they can only fly backwards as its a fr*nch plane eurofighter is much better ...

Eurofighter is outdated trash, tbh

>>25637101 you need to go back

i'm surprised poortugal can even afford jets, they are poor af

>>25637124 >moortugal

ITAR-free equipment is basically the way to go now. Everything else is suicide, even it has objectively better performance characteristics. Because an F-35 is worth nothing when the fatburgers can killswitch it on a whim. Which means the Gripen is unfortunately not viable either due to American engines. Not sure about the Eurofighter too. I think the Rafale is actually the only one which completely without ITAR restrictions. So uh, I for one welcome our new frog-eating overlords... I guess.

>>25637188 Rafale also has the best performance, the only reason anyone was buying American instead of it was as vassal tribute.

Every $120 million airplane can easily be destroyed by a $250k missile. Only megadummies buy super expensive airplanes. For example the Fingol military.

>>25637224 Nah, the F-35 is simply unmatched in terms of its sensors and datalinks, combined with decent stealth. That's why everyone bought it, and by everyone buying it the cost went down (economy of scale), which in tunr caused even more nations to purchase the F-35. It has little to do with vassalage.

>>25637235 t. Jeune Ecole 2.0 retard

>>25637086 Yeah. Even Taiwan made it's own fighter jet programme. Israel fighter jet program got cancelled. I guess Sweden is the smallest nation to have it's own fighter.

>>25637252 F-35 is not a good plane. Recent events show that war is about drones and missiles, and definitely not about Tom Cruise flying around in a $120 million airplane.

>>25637285 F35 is a good plane for what it was built: to be knights sent as part of the vassal army when king goes to war. You cant use it against enemies that the king does not consider as such. It can only be used in the context of king's will.

>>25637188 Back to Frankish Empire

Not a strategic-pro, but why does Yurop struggle with airplanes? Yes, it's a pain in the ass to develop and build 5+ generation ITAR-free full-capable aircraft, but what stops you from making cheaper light attack aircraft?

>>25637285 Again, Jeune Ecole idiocy at it's finest. You probably also believe that tanks are obsolete lol.

>>25637374 Like the Kraut said, economy of scale. The more you produce, the cheaper it is.

>>25637389 Light attack aircrafts are also cheaper, faster, and easier to produce. You need some planes now.

>>25637374 Uropnia just hasn't needed a military in a good while, and any joint project ends up in a pissing match between Germany and France trying to con each other out of the high profit margin parts of the program and goes nowhere, and/or rushit lobbyists bribe some EU ghoul to sabotage it with a requirement for the jet engine to be carbon-neutral. The tech itself is all there.

>>25637428 Its all overkill. France alone could easily destroy roosia.

If the eurocrats don't seize this opportunity they are dumber and corrupter than I imagined. The demand for more military spending is the chance to dispense subsidies and install trade barriers solely in favor of the european economy and any objection by the burgers raise can be countered by "It's for military spending and national security to fulfill our obligations to NATO". Weapons procurement is the obvious first step but this could also be leveraged in other sectors like for tech. China leveraged the great firewall, capital controls and market restrictions for foreign countries to great success in building it's own tech companies. Europe could do a similar thing.

>>25636834 Where's cope cage installed on polish tanks? I get that polish army doesn't have military experience but at least they should know how vulnerable tanks are to chinese toys

>>25637439 How's German military faring after the demon hag ran it for most of the Merkel era. Do you want that for the rest of Europe?

>>25637453 That's not a polish tank, it's a German Leopard 2 A8 being showcased at a trade show. PS: The A8 has an APS.

>>25637188 rafale looks soo goood srsly, and its old aircraft

Why would you buy something that can be turned off remotely by the company that sold you that shit

Euros should invest money to invent effective anti drone measures. Whoever comes up with this first will get the strongest military on earth for a moment

>>25637510 >anti drone >russians think that a "theoretical" war between European countries and Russia would look like the one in Ukraine,,dude European countries have dozens of times more fighters, missiles, ships and armored vehicles, satellites etc this your dji suicide drones are only working on your ww1 tier war like in ukraine, not on nato countries

>>25637510 they already have Russia and Ukraine are still "industrial age" militaries

Bring back the airships! Weapons platform, comm relay, reconnaissance

>>25637534 There should be thousands of rockets to make a difference on the frontline. Hohols spent all their ~500 ATACMS without changing frontline and euros don't even have their tactical missiles

>>25637534 >all that screeching cope from decaying shithole that wasted all its military on pisskraine lmao

>>25637535 >they already have Elaborate

>>25637546 they would be ideal and cost effective to rule turdworlds that cant shoot it down

>>25637576 Theoretically, they can withstand quite a lot of damage.

>>25637510 Almost all European tanks being newly ordered and introduced now have an APS, which presumably has all the facilities in place to fire at an incoming FPS drone as well. Only problem might be oversaturazation, because in many videos from Ukraine you see vehicles getting hit 5-7 times or so. Dunno how many charges systems like Trophy at al carry these days.

>>25637535 The EU leaders are retard HURR MORE TANKS AND APCs for the cost of a single tank you get 50 000 drones

>>25637584 >presumably

>>25637584 >trophy copy lmao that shit only i terceptedrpg shot on advertisment video. In reality merkavas got boinked so often they introduced copecages. You are obsolutely delusional.

>>25637590 Whether it's an ATGM buzzing towards the tank or an FPV drone, doesn't make a difference. At most the sensitivity of the system would have to be tweeked, because it would need to react to slower objects as well. All building blocks are in place, the rest is just codemonkey work. And again: the real problems are oversaturaization and possibly also cost per charge/shot

>>25637608 Kek, nice cope. Inreality Russians also have arena interception system and some stuff for armata but we don't see it on battlefield despite Russia having the strongest army in the world.

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