1500-2000 i guess

>>25624451 Why don't more Bernds choose such a profession?

Хуита, днище. т инжинигер с вышкой машиностроения

>>25624485 I dont want to work in a shop its loud and cold and smells

>>25624485 it's dirty, also loud and the machine shop is full of bydlo

>>25624446 Here's a CNC technician job in Austria: https://www.evgroup.com/careers/jobs/cnc-machining-technician-mfd CNC machinists' payments usually depend on experience and the kind of work they do. Working on a CNC mill to make aluminium parts is one thing, but polishing optical lenses from glass on a CNC machine is another. In any case, work in Ukraine is shit and at best you can get some work at a military factory (I've heard about a salary of around $1500 there). I would get some practical training and move to EU, better pay and social benefits.

I found a vacancy at a furniture factory near my home. They say they are looking for a person without experience and provide on-the-job training. I took the number from the vacancy and sent the following message: "Good evening. I want to work on a CNC machine but lack experience. How can I learn it?". In 10 minutes, this faggot removed chat and blocked me. I thought there were no worker hands in Ukraine, and everyone would be happy to have a person who can't be mobilized, knows how to program, and knows English on the B2 level, but it seems the reality is much harsher.

>>25624653 Ach Bernd, stay in Ukraina, the EU is mindnumbing overregulated, and you won't get a good job either, because you won't have the right papers. So at best you'll earn double as much as you would in Ukrainka to wipe the asses of boomers, but will have to pay four times as much for living.

>>25624737 Price of living is getting higher here, if you don't know.

>>25624749 I don't, but ukrainka is not as overregulated as the EU. Basically stepping out of your bed the wrong way can be illegal. This is not a healthy environment for doing business.

>>25624764 Relax, pedo. We aren't stealing pedo jobs. And working as hired labor isn't a business.

>>25624784 >Ukraineball >calling others pedo lmfao.

>>25624796 >Waldemar >tongues my anus lmao

>>25624784 Don't insult me. I'm being friendly.

>>25624820 Alright, alright, alright. But the thing is - Ukraine isn't the same country it was pre-war. It is overregulated now, with all kinds of shit local cops, controlling and regulatory state organs can do. Corruption pressure has grown to obscene levels. Many entrepreneurs I know have left the country or in the process of moving out.

>>25624849 How is it now? I remember that place as some tourist, who played stalker in chernobyl for a few days, and I found it very chill and easygoing. Everyone was somewhat corrupt, but in the nice way, where they let you break stupid rules in exchange for asking nicely and maybe giving them a few bucks. EU really isn't like that. Today I tried to get some harmless chemicals to etch some PCBs from some pharmacist. In the end he refused, because he wasn't sure that it's impossible to misuse these things in some way. It's not that it would be illegal to sell these things, it's just that he wanted to make extra sure, that I can't step out of line even if I wanted to. This mindset is normal. I find this extremely depressing.

>>25624896 Good for you. Yesterday two zoomers, 15 and 17 were groomed by FSB pidors on the internet and got stashed explosives, a GSM detonator, and a thermos. They assembled an IED from these components and went into some place they were given. The explosives were set off remotely by FSBydlo when the zoomers approached the given address, leaving kids with torn-off limbs and asses. This happens to poor people who agree to do something like that for a promise of hefty payment which they won't see. Usually, it's some drug addicts, gamblers with debts, stupid children, or sometimes delivery couriers. And for the corruption, before it was that cute corruption where you could cut corners where nobody gets hurt. Now it's the system bending you over, raping and robbing you. The richest people in the country are state bureaucrats, police chiefs, secret service generals, etc. Nomenklatura feels good during the war.

>>25624966 I'm very sorry to hear that.

>>25624966 btw, now sites like facebook and tiktok know every zoomer with mental problems that is in a situation where he might want to do some shit. Social media is a gigantic security risk for that reason.

>>25625008 Yes, social media should be shut down during the war. Now it's a weapon of mass destruction.

>>25624797 >helplessly projecting his gay fantasies >something about some "Waldemar" lmfao that must have hit you.

Around $1300 after tax. That's pretty good money on the Poland.

>>25625014 I hope you'll be able to get your state apparatus under control though. I didn't know, that it became as bad as you described, but if the FSB wants to groom retards to do some terrorism and using infos they got from some hacked facebook database or friendly aid via tiktok, things will become outright dystopian.

>>25625031 >I hope you'll be able to get your state apparatus under control though Me personally - no, I don't have all the time in the world. In the last 3 years, I have lost all those "anchors" that make a man sedentary - home, hometown, community. I will migrate, so as my brother with his gf, or a common friend from our hometown. At this point, I have more professional contacts, pals, and friends all over Europe and North America than in Ukraine. The war may sizzle for five more years or be put on hold this year with a ceasefire if Americans are successful in pushing their agenda. In any way, the government will become more Kafkaesque, and the level of violence in society will increase: planned terrorism, sporadic shootouts, police raids, oligarchy assembling private armies from the veterans. I would assess that South-America-style military coup is more likely in this timeline than some elected educated liberal party washing the state machine's ass from corrupt shit and performing successful reforms. The whole space on the world map east of Vistula river to the Pacific Ocean is cursed for decades.

>>25625025 Is it? How much rent, how much tax do you pay? It doesn't feel too be too much to begin with. (But then again Bernd pays more rent than that alone)

>>25625133 Well, then I hope, that you'll feel welcome whereever you migrate to. I've met a few ukrainian refugees, and found them very nice. I've been helping with refurbishing cheaply bought used bikes for them, and things like these. Also, I think that democracy and elected officials are overrated. Pinochet was pretty good in cleaning things up in south america, whereas at least where I am elected officials are more in the business of promotong legalized corruption, that might not look as bad as some mafia-state, but is fucked up nonetheless.

>>25625180 The argument for the authoritarian ability to make things happen. Alright, some authoritarian heads of state fall into the "benevolent dictator" category. But there were dozens of "bloodthirsty idiot" kind on the other side of the spectrum. Would you gamble your life and future to roll the dice?

You can earn good money here as a CNC operator but it depends on the company. In some companies you are allowed to program, equip the machine and produce the parts - so complete the full process. In some companies the operators are simple button pressers who are not allowed to change anything, most of them are even confused when you switch the screen. In germany you can get 18-28€/h maybe more maybe less. The salaries vary a lot. t. CNC Servicetech

>>25625276 Is it net or gross? If it's gross, how much is withdrawn in taxes?

>>25625283 Let’s say you receive 4k per month, that would be around 23€/h. After taxes it is 2,6k in your bank account. Its good but average money here. My brother is ~40 and earns a lot less than that as a craftsman.

>>25625302 >>25625276 Indeed it’s laughable. All the 3D modeling programs with the attached post processing generate the full program. It’s still shit if you don’t know which command causes which machine behavior.

>>25625220 >The argument for the authoritarian ability to make things happen. Alright, some authoritarian heads of state fall into the "benevolent dictator" category. But there were dozens of "bloodthirsty idiot" kind on the other side of the spectrum. Would you gamble your life and future to roll the dice? To be honest, I'm closer to an anarchist than to an authoritarian. I want to be left alone and generally distrust the state regardless of what justifications it brings forward. I think, that every state that currently exists has a tendency towards dystopia, and is only limited by it's own incompetency and the willingness of the populace to not obey the law. And in that regard, westerners are just as bad. I get, that things in ukraine look bad, because there's a war going on, but imagine how worse things would look, should the same switch be flipped in the west, where people are rulefollowing cattle, where surveillance of everything and everyone is much more advanced, and where the state has no financial limitations, because it exports the inflation of it's currency to the rest of the world for as long as nonwesterners use western currencies for savings and trading. It doesn't even require a reason. You just have to look at how laws only were tightened more and more over the past 80 years. They will never reach a state where the laws are tight enough, this will go on forever, until there is no freedom left at all. And people will conform, and those who don't will be found by technological means.

>>25625323 Shit like that is going to be obsolete in less than five years. There's no point in learning it. Craftsmen on the other hand will be needed because even if a machine builds your entire metal fence there's still need for people to put it in place decently. Codemonkeys are fucked beyond belief. Not trying to shit on your job here, fren. It's just not worth getting into it now. If you already know your shit, make sure to milk that donkey as much as possible.

>>25625341 I think that you are overestimating AI. AI can write code, but it can't write good code just as much as it can't write a good story. It just makes it easier for people without skills to get some easy things done, that they would be able to do better after half a year of proper learning. AI is pretty good to fill in some gaps and help you get up to speed in these regards in little time, but it does not replace skills.

>>25625341 I don’t worry atm. I’m not an operator, I’m the one who’s fixing the machines so I’m a handyman also … But you’re right. I saw companies which stated with 10 employees but the boss fired most of them and exchanged them with robots kek.

Besides, isn't the situation in germland, that people without a three-year-Ausbildung are exploited and work for basically nothing, just because it's an old tradition in germland to abuse people without the right papers?

>>25625337 Well then, it's time to kickstart an anarchist militia franchise. My grand-grandpa was an anarchist in Nestor's Makhno brigade.

>>25625371 >I think that you are overestimating AI. I don't think so. Give it enough processing power and learning data (which is what happening right this moment) and it drastically change the world's economy.

>>25625389 >kickstart an anarchist militia franchise Impossible in the west, maybe possible in ukraine.

>>25625371 >I think that you are overestimating AI. Can’t tell about „computer“ programming but in CNC the amount of code, depending on the size and complexity of the workpiece, is not written by hand anymore. In fact it is almost impossible to write a 5-axis work piece by yourself. The code which is generated for CNC machines is 97% fine always, only minor changes have to be made. This development will occur in program programming sooner or later.

>>25625385 >I’m the one who’s fixing the machines so I’m a handyman also … Based. I'm doing sames in IT sector. >I saw companies which stated with 10 employees but the boss fired most of them and exchanged them with robots kek. Now imagine that on a larger scale. You get AR goggles that explain everything to you. No need to study something if any retard can do it with the help of some tech. The degree will be worthless and the money even worse.

>>25625341 >Codemonkeys are fucked beyond belief. Man, if anything, there will be only more work for code monkeys - so much more that businesses will try to fill them with cheaper "buy 5 chimps, get one macaco for free" thirdworlders. Who do you think maintains all this colossus on legs of shit, called "IT industry"? Devops, now there's ML-ops, whatever else will appear tomorrow... LLM-prompt-ops, Debug-AI-hallucination-ops?

>>25625418 3d printers work entirely on autogenerated g-code. I get that CNC machines can to more than just moving a nozzle to certain places, so generating their g-code might be slightly more complicated, but I don't think that it will take long until everything is fully automated. Heck, if CNC machines were open source and patent free, this would already be the case. However, it still requires skill and knowledge of the technology to make good and functional 3d prints. I guess that the future CNC operator will know more about CAD and how to design elements.

>>25625452 Yes you’re completely right. A small 3D printer is basically the same as a CNC. Its not magic or anything. Besides that the CNC only has more sensors and solenoids to perform certain tasks but that’s about it. The positioning system with the linear guides and ballscrews is sturdier than the belt of a printer but the controls behind that is basically the same. I‘m sure there will be ultra precise 3D printers soon with the above mentioned mechanics.

>>25625418 And as to program-programming... In essence the problem is, that hinders AIs in writing good complex stories. I think you'll end up with AIs writing simple programs that work most of the times, but not always, and are very inefficient. Turning this into something good will still require human input to make these programs work always as they should, and without waste. AI will enhance coders, rather than replace them. It's the same with translators. Autotranslation is already pretty advanced, but still no match for human translators. The difference between today and the past is, that now there's a lot of outotranslated crap out there, which distorts the meaning, which would have not been translated in the past.

I make about $106/hr but I'm required to do overtime and I start at 5. Most of my superiors make about double that and only do a 9-5.

>>25625515 >It's the same with translators. Autotranslation is already pretty advanced, but still no match for human translators. There's already earphones or hearing aids with live translation. Translators are in fact obsolete.

BTW, AI might turn out to be a very bad thing for Indians with fake-degrees who don't know what they're doing. But I think that there were many cases of disruptive progress in the past, where people thought that the heavens are falling, but in the end people with skills ended up being needed more than ever. There was a time, when computers were programmed in assembler, and compiled languages such as C must have seemed as the end for everyone who has ever taken the effort to learn .asm. Heck, and before processors were around, people must have literally programmed with logic-gates.

>>25625583 You state, that translators are obsolete because endless amounts of shitty autotranslations pile up. How many official documents or movies or books do you think are translated automatically?

>>25625602 >people must have literally programmed with logic-gates.

>>25625616 >How many official documents or movies or books do you think are translated automatically? Pretty much all of them within the next couple of months.

>>25625638 Tell me... Have you been screencapped in the past?

>>25625689 I'm not too interesting of a poster for Bernds to take screenshots of my posts. I'm not saying two weeks but by the end of the year, yes. Definitely.

>>25625632 I did this in high school in early 00s with a micro processor which only took +5V or -5V as input and gave output in LEDs being on or off.

>>25625694 Well, if this were a contential topic, I think you would be screencapped now, so that people at the end of the decade can make fun of you. No insult meant. And don't get me wrong, I think, that AI is awesome, it's just that I haven't seen anything that could even remotely make the skills that I do have obsolete. Autotranslation is advanced, and has been good for a while now, but it still is no match for someone with good language skills. It might be an enhancement for such a person to use AI, but AI won't replace him.

>>25624705 >"Good evening. I want to work on a CNC machine but lack experience. How can I learn it?". Should have wrote "I have experience in CNC programming, when can we meet?"

>>25625735 >wrote written.

>>25625739 I know but I adapted it to sound more Ukrainian for ease of communicating.

>>25625743 My apologies.

>>25625323 And how do you model the piece if you don't know how the machine functions? It can't cut just any shape in any direction, and you still need to model it according to the blueprint. You can't just tell an AI "make me a piece" without detailing exactly what kind of result you want. There are many different ways to achieve seemingly similar results, but the quality will differ, and learning this is a matter of experience. Different materials behave differently etc, it's not as simple as just having the computer create a path for the drill. This is also why programming in general won't be easy to replace. You can ask Copilot to write some kind of standard solution for a problem, but you still need to define the problem in terms it understands. For this you already need to know the language you are telling the AI to use, or you can't tell if what it's creating is decent or not, or if it even solves what you wanted to solve.

>>25625797 >And how do you model the piece if you don't know how the machine functions? You model the work piece and run it trough the post processing which knows the machine abilities. Its like a slicer for 3D printers …. Either it will tell you that it is not possible or will output a program that will need manual re-placing the work piece. Also you buy the material and it has specs and the tools have specs also. A good program like Solidworks will calculate spindle speed and feed automatically. There is so much parameters nowadays that you even can calculate the amount and volume of chips produced. CNC milling or turning is already at its peak I would say. They made so much progress in the last 20 years its unbelievable. Id say it is almost at the peak of possibilities in cutting material, the limiting factor is the tool material and mechanical load limit of machines. 3D printing with metal is rising but atm it has his flaws. Surface is bad, takes a lot of time, needs to be reworked often but it made things possible that weren’t possible 30 years ago or even unthinkable.

>>25624784 I like that comic, the drawing style is nice and I think it's a good joge... but what is "B"?

>>25626146 Oh, I guess B means "in". I somehow thought a place was implied, but it's just about the war years I guess?

>>25626197 >в Is just random word Russians use to say >from >to >above >under <etc

>>25624446 Shouldn't you be dying in a trench right now for the great new Khazaria for your beloved jews?

>You only need to know G programming language(I already know how to program) and Autocad You're a retard that doesn't even know how to read a vernier caliper and it would take 1-2 years of babysitting and training and a wheelbarrow of money in wasted metal and crashed machines to teach you before you started being useful.

You can make whatever you want, CNC is the type of business where a single guy with talent can easily play with the big dogs.

>>25627716 Atlanta, it's not that hard, don't dramatise

>>25624485 It pays like shit, entry level bydlocoder wil earn more than CNC programmer. As every job in poopland that's not related to outsourcing or medicine.

$1500+ I think. For comparison: no welder than I know gets less than $1k.

>>25624705 what a fucking nigger