Did you know?
That Americans are actually forced to live in McMansion without their choice?
Have a look at the numbers I found in picrel.1 and 2
There are no, not enough starter homes for young American adults who just hatched from burger buns waddling into the ocean of housing market.
Why?
Have a look at picrel.3
Building a bigger house doesn’t always require much more plumbing, electric wiring, etc., than a smaller one. However, since prices are set per square foot, construction companies get higher margins as extra space doesn’t add proportionally to material costs.
So why don't they just build small and create a new market for the poor? That's still money for them.
They can't.
Why?
Zoning regulations enforce minimum lot sizes and housing requirements to limit the construction of starter homes. By mandating larger houses within subdivisions, they can suck more and more tax revenues since it's determined by square foot and optional structures on the buildings.
fun part
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 17:42:05 GMT
No. 25623843
>>25623874
If you want to know how this zoning regulation in america started, read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoning_in_the_United_States
it was racism afterall that made everyone suffer KEK
> but that's free market!
> t. shart
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 17:44:38 GMT
No. 25623851
>>25623848
it was land of freedom afterall
*speaking slow and sloppy in nasal american voice*
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 17:46:23 GMT
No. 25623856
>>25623861
>>25623848
The problem is the credits.
Customers who shouldn't afford expensive houses normally are getting loans unjustified by their income and then they can be pushed towards the upper bracket.
The only reason cheap products exist on the market is that there are customers who can't buy expensive ones.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 17:48:16 GMT
No. 25623861
>>25624000
>>25623856
I don't think that credits are a problem, because:
>Zoning regulations enforce minimum lot sizes
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 17:56:46 GMT
No. 25623891
>>25624008
>>25623874
You're tonguing murrican anus too much, zoran.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 17:58:55 GMT
No. 25623898
>>25624008
>>25623874
okay then,
you are going to be financially stretched ;)
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:19:41 GMT
No. 25624000
>>25624021
>>25623861
The lot is the land the house sits on, not the house itself
>>25623891
>>25623898
Sorry genuine Europeans don't want to live in commieblocks like slavs or ant people
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:21:36 GMT
No. 25624014
>>25624036
Yes our zoning laws include minimum house sizes and minimum lot sizes, maximum lot coverage etc.
So it's impossible to build starter homes in most American cities.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:22:40 GMT
No. 25624021
>>25624000
bigger lot > more expensive lot and less houses > higher house price
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:23:31 GMT
No. 25624027
>>25624008
>genuine Europeans
Weird way to say "murrifat larpers".
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:23:45 GMT
No. 25624029
>>25624065
If you’re going to start clutching pearls about racism you will never understand the US housing market, this country is full of surly niggers who are on par with gypsies and perhaps worse if only to provide an example that foreigners can understand, they inhabit the lowest tier of housing generationally and drag it down to shit and exist in every city over 100k population, they are worse than any immigrant the world could throw at us, there are very few housing options for the poor that aren’t filled with niggers in populated areas. Niggers don’t want to live around niggers, you have to be very naive to choose to live around and with niggers
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:23:46 GMT
No. 25624030
>>25624008
Noone cares. You VILL live in ze pod.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:24:13 GMT
No. 25624036
>>25624133
>>25624014
>starter homes
Cool euphemism for a ramen refuge
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:27:36 GMT
No. 25624065
>>25624029
The sorts of housing that some Europeans are satisfied with, or would be considered starter homes, will inevitably be filled with not just immigrants like in Europe but Afro-Americans. Essentially, many Europeans live like niggers do in the USA
This is an intractable problem, Europeans even the right wing are deluded to think the immigrant/nigger problem can be solved
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:29:11 GMT
No. 25624077
young families should live in motorhomes and trailers
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:30:33 GMT
No. 25624091
>>25624124
>>25624299
Nah, last year I bought a 1200 sq ft (111.5 sq m), one storey, single-family house. If it were located just a couple miles toward downtown it would simply be a 3br apartment, but we love doing endless maintenance.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:35:26 GMT
No. 25624124
>>25624205
>>25624091
also my next door neighbor is selling and listing for $340k LMAO. Our houses are similar. I didn't pay that much at all
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:36:36 GMT
No. 25624133
>>25624165
>>25624008
>>25624036
look at this mountaineer brain, life is easy in swissland you only need to think black and white to survive
what about those young couples starting?
>>25624133
There are enough buildings. We need to stop migration. You can always feed into the ponzi scheme by suggesting we just need to use even less space. But it's a fucking lie. We're not rats
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:45:06 GMT
No. 25624205
>>25624124
I paid $400k for my house
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:45:24 GMT
No. 25624207
>>25624165
a brain hard as alps who keep staying on his high way when the thread is about american housing history
>>25623848
a smart dugin brain who holds good geograpahical knowledge
>>25624165
if you are missing out the premise that houses in usa built far away from downtown are now 6 figures i dont know what to say
paying with mortgage monthly already suffocates them people living there
why are you insisting on europe when this thread is american? what are you like this? very disappointed
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:48:22 GMT
No. 25624230
>>25624165
Yes, and immigrants to buy single family homes and park 7 cars with multiple families to a house, probably a family in every room
Does this happen in Europe? It isn’t American tradition to live like this, the pioneers basically adopted Scandinavian practices of building with wood and could simply erect their own homes, there has been enough space and the Americans a century ago were much more ingenious and enterprising to utilize our natural advantages
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:49:24 GMT
No. 25624236
>>25624229
just go to zillow and see how shit it be to start adult life in america in 2025
bitch ass nigguh
>>25624229
Americans don’t want to live downtown, also business eventually follows the whites into the suburbs and away from negro infested cities
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:50:19 GMT
No. 25624246
>>25624239
yeah burger shit im saying even the houses located far from the census are high priced. thats the point
sorry for calling you burger shit
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:51:24 GMT
No. 25624251
>>25624286
>>25624239
and not specifically downtown. suburbs are ideal for all but its so expensive to afford its impossible unless its inherited
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:51:42 GMT
No. 25624254
>>25624239
>Americans don’t want to live downtown
>don't want
Imagine being this goyish.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:53:51 GMT
No. 25624269
>>25624285
>>25624229
I don't care about the country. It's overpopulation everywhere in Western capitalism. It's nature screaming that it's enough and you don't deserve more space. Not everyone can have space. And you don't deserve it by bitching and moaning either.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:56:29 GMT
No. 25624285
>>25624317
>>25624269
duh.. im just saying how drastic it is for american adults who want to buy or build houses
at least here there are stepping stones for young couples to start family
not so, in usa
why are you like this seriously?
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:56:32 GMT
No. 25624286
>>25624251
There are cheap houses, in negro filled neighborhoods, but only negroes will countenance living there
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:59:01 GMT
No. 25624299
>>25624319
>>25624091
i missed your post because of the shitshow and my eyes are bad
how much was it?
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:01:56 GMT
No. 25624313
>>25623848
Muh free market has always been propaganda, just like the cockroach empire claimed to fight for free enteprise round the globe but was extremely protectionist
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:02:11 GMT
No. 25624317
>>25624285
>why are you like this seriously?
Because I'm ornery.
We can discuss the starting house problem when EU and its affiliates (Germany as a good example) stop flying in Afghan invaders and other foreigners. It's the same in America with open borders (until Trump). A fake discussion because the migration ponzi scheme will always increase house prices.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:02:31 GMT
No. 25624319
>>25624353
>>25624299
around $300k and I got seller concessions to replace the floors which cost $6k. It's in a city but not in the dense area. If I wanted to live in a much smaller town it would have been cheaper, but possibly fewer choices for small houses
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:03:53 GMT
No. 25624327
>>25624356
>>25624239
I don't know what country you're from, but in every American city I've visited I've seen a ton of high-end apartments going up, full of Americans paying top dollar to live there.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:04:26 GMT
No. 25624331
>>25624352
there is literallly nothing free about USA
they have million stupid weird laws that are different in every town and are rooted in racism to keep the black people out or imprison them
did you know that Americans are not allowed to for example stand around in one place? that's loitering
did you know that Americans and especially children/teenagers are not allowed to be outside past 'curfew'? Yes that thing that exists in normal countries during martial law or foreign occupation
additionally all of Americans have to live in HOAs which have insane rules for everything regarding what your house looks like
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:04:51 GMT
No. 25624332
If anything, the market is demanding more downtown living.
Nashville's about to build a new building taller than anything else in the city, full of luxury condos.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:07:14 GMT
No. 25624347
I'd like to see American cities build townhomes instead of high-rises and 5-story apartments.
These would be cool in a lot of areas.
>>25624331
In American suburbs, you're not allowed to build a fence in your front yard. I shit you not.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:08:17 GMT
No. 25624353
>>25624319
dont want to doxx you or anything but how far is it from the main downtown and which state
if you dont want, dont reply
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:08:43 GMT
No. 25624356
>>25624363
>>25624327
The OP is looking for affordable living for people getting their lives started across the spectrum, not yuppies and their luxury apartments
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:09:52 GMT
No. 25624363
>>25624369
>>25624356
Nice goalpost move! Give your arms a rest, you moved it really far.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:09:53 GMT
No. 25624364
>>25624378
>>25624352
yes this is awful
and some people will say 'just don't live in a hoa' but it's sometimes impossible if you wanna live in a suburb
and in USA suburbs are GIGANTIC
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:10:10 GMT
No. 25624366
>>25624403
>>25624352
Depends on if you have are part of a HoA and the specific city laws, if you live in bumfuck nowhere you can do whatever you want, I’m sure you could find a town that also does not regulate something like that
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:10:50 GMT
No. 25624369
>>25624363
It’s not a goalpost move, you are changing the topic, and I see you started your own thread so why not just stay there?
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:11:49 GMT
No. 25624378
>>25624364
The suburbs around Miami have lots fully enclosed by walls, this is a huge country
Maybe you won’t be able to find a city in white America that will let you do that, though
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:12:09 GMT
No. 25624382
If you visit an American city you will see tons of new apartments downtown that were built in the last 10-15 years.
The reason is because Americans want to live in cities and they're willing to pay a lot for the privilege. However lately even the city centers have become NIMBY and are blocking a shitton of proposed construction.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:14:42 GMT
No. 25624403
>>25624673
>>25624366
Nah he's right, generally the city owns the street frontage for 3-4 feet and they don't let you put a fence there. Unless you have some millionaire celebrity mansion.
It's called an "easement" and it's standard in basically every American suburb.
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:19:24 GMT
No. 25624441
I would gladly pay for a 10 square foot plot of land to pitch my tent on but the jews would rather I be a homeless person chased around by police with no space allotted for me despite the 1000s of acres of allocated land in the USA
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:23:04 GMT
No. 25624456
Apparently walled in lots are a thing in Arizona
>In many areas of Arizona, particularly in urban and suburban settings, "walled lots" with fences or walls along property lines are common, often for privacy and security, and are subject to local zoning ordinances and homeowner association regulations
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:57:28 GMT
No. 25624673
>>25624692
>>25624352
>>25624403
Yes but if you live in any real town you have to call codes before building something anyway. Front yard fences are allowed here but you have to keep it clear of the "right of way" which is a few feet in from the sidewalk
Bernd
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 20:00:07 GMT
No. 25624692
>>25624673
Also how far the fence is set back depends on the height of the fence, so if it's a three foot fence it'll probably be like 10 feet from the sidewalk