>>25618577 Our appearance

Liberals hate autonomy and freedoms(especially freedom of speech which they call "hate" speech). They hate equality and prioritize brownoid privileges on expense of whites. Most of them are etatists with class conciousness. They also hate democracy as a method of people voting for their representatives. Instead they perceive democracy as a rule of "democrats". I see colored dems as nepotistic vermin trying to destroy healthy white societies for the benefit of their in-groups and white dems are simply traitors, most often than not trying to signal moral superiority or get into positions of power where they supposedly can protect "the oppressed"

>>25618645 They were never liberals

FOr me it's communism

>>25618653 No, they are the true liberals. Liberalism as you are trying to describe is impossible to build on the notion that "all people are born equal" because it contradicts the empirical facts of human bio and cultural diversity. It's a mistake of altruists trying to play non zero summ games with a cheaters who don't know(and dont want to) how to play non zero summ

>>25618682 Equal under the conditions of life, ordered freedom (I hate when they say liberty), and property The men who wrote the Declaration of Independence knew nobody was equal which is why they didn't want a universal democracy in the first place

>>25618682 This country was never supposed to have universal suffrage

>>25618682 And as you know they didn't have this for a very long time until very recently.

Anyone who reads the Declaration of Independence quite literally doesn't understand the context surrounding it tbh

>>25618682 Do you really think Thomas Jefferson actually believed that all humans were equal, the writer of this document??? The guy owned slaves for fuck's sake.

What an abhorrent definition that is full of jewish bullshit Analogy: What is a train? A train is an infrastructural and material object that emphasizes trasportaional automonomy, stability, adaptability and the protection of cargo (such as poulty, lead, eggs), orginially for the state and later for both the state and private economic actors, including businesses.

This is my appearance.

>>25618879 Kek..

>>25618934 Cut deep, didn't it

>>25618950 It did, I think Mr. Benjamin knows more than what's he letting on..

>>25618566 same

>>25618879 Classic liberalism was another one of those psyops. I only know the term from Jordan Peterson. Libertarian is another psyop because it's literally based on the same fucking word which means free translated to Germanic vocabulary. The reality is simply that the term freedom is vague and ruling powers are always trying to shift the conception of the term.

Any words starting with libre/liber lost any and all meaning. Currently those who identify with them usually do not align with their original meaning but identifying yourself with those words just because you align with their original meaning is stupid.

>>25619011 >The reality is simply that the term freedom is vague By itself, it doesn't exist yes I agree >>25619041 >but identifying yourself with those words just because you align with their original meaning is stupid. I disagree

I'm a communist. Billionaires should be hung, drawn and quartered into 999 different pieces and then having his meat fed to pitbulls.

>>25619078 You are a monkey

>>25619078 Depends on the type of billionaire

>>25619085 You're still brown

>>25619086 No, any billionaire should be brutally killed and have their families quartered, raped and skinned. Millionaires that don't contribute to the State also need to get fucked up. Rich people are evil.

>>25618645 > Liberals hate autonomy and freedoms(especially freedom of speech which they call "hate" speech). They hate equality and prioritize brownoid privileges on expense of whites. You mean liberahas or leftist soyaks. Liberals never were like this. There is a great diseption in term liberal. The original word was stolen by socialists and usually when an american says liberal they mean soc dem soyaks lgbtghzsrf+ who despise freedom, private property, freedom of speech, free market and so on that's way the word libertarian was made up to distinguish true classical liberal from soyaks

>>25619092 If you believe the State is an answer to society's problems you are part of the problem, monkey.

>>25618756 >Do you really think Thomas Jefferson actually believed that all humans were equal The guy owned slaves They probably thought of negros as some form of more evolved monkeys

>>25619106 >"bla bla bla bla" - Reddit Kill yourself, Gonzalez.

>I disagree Most people don't speak Spanish or French. Thus their view of the words is entirely defined by their current usage. You don't speak Spanish or French in your daily life either, so what do you care? If you say you're a classic liberal they will just lump you with the other liberals and your opinion is simply drowned.

>>25619074 >>25619114

>>25619114 Is this Dwayne? Why would an actual German conflate the American "liberal" with actual liberals?

>>25619134 You're attached to the idea that there is some liberalism in Europe you can return to but the liberalism in Europe has long become synonymous with the liberalism in the USA. In fact Sozialliberalismus (social liberalism) has a long tradition in post-war Germany.

We need to come up with Russian word for liberals

>>25619189 There were men in your country in the 1800s who were close to the original term, why don't Germans know about them?

>>25619189 The 1848ers

>>25619189 If I recall..

>>25619189 It's as if Germany's past prior the World Wars means nothing to the average German.

Societies as a whole have shifted over time. The notion that "all people" includes foreigners (immigrants and people in other countries) and genetically disabled retards is new. Or women in politics being okay. However the overton window has moved long ago. There is no self-proclaimed liberal in Germany today who would tell you women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

>>25619260 People don't talk about it outside of school. War ended 1945 80 years ago. Barely anyone allowed to fight in it is still alive today. Even if you're 86 years old, you'll probably just have bad childhood memories of the war conditions.

This is what 80 years of occupation did to my people.

>>25619271 So what would the average German call someone who has liberal beliefs but believes in limited suffrage, that not all people should have the same rights?

>>25619271 Because this is basically a liberal prior the 1900s.

>>25619314 >but believes in limited suffrage You mean women voting? Conservative, I guess.

Or right wing.

>>25619333 My father believes not everyone should have the same rights either, that a person should be given the right to vote based on how much you give to the State in taxes

>>25619333 But I don't believe this is good enough in terms of rights

>>25619340 He certainly wouldn't be seen as a liberal in Germany.

>>25619348 Well he thinks of himself as such, and so do I, to an extent

>>25619351 What other liberal beliefs does he have? If his nigger loving doesn't outweigh his belief in a hierarchical power structure other liberals will dislike him. Simple as.

>>25619092 Sopa de macaco Uma delicia

>>25619348 Since nobody is truly equal nobody should be afforded the same rights and privileges, the question is how to set up the State in such a way that benefits everyone on an individual basis which I don't think hasn't happened yet. So far it's set up to where a certain type of person that is to say, the American landowner chiefly, is the subject of which this country was founded on. These documents that they wrote was mainly for their benefit, but no one else, and to think otherwise is kind of silly. To take what they said literally, is very silly.

>>25619348 Like they obviously didn't mean niggers, immigrants, and women or even other certain white men could have rights otherwise they would've allowed them such at the inception of this country. >>25619362 He believes that "anyone can succeed" in this country and tries to roleplay that he's not discriminatory.

>>25619362 And I don't think it's even possible to judge each and every single individual what rights they can and can't have but to treat everyone the same under the law is also very stupid.

>>25618756 >Do you really think Thomas Jefferson actually believed that all humans were equal, the writer of this document??? The guy owned slaves for fuck's sake. Jefferson literally thought America should stay deindustrialized and sneeds should import everything manufactured from Europe from profit from buckbroken slaves >>25619105 >There is a great diseption in term liberal. The original word was stolen by socialists and usually when an american says liberal they mean soc dem soyaks lgbtghzsrf+ who despise freedom, private property, freedom of speech, free market and so on Not really or you never actually read any early lib writing. Basically all those rights were considered conditional in some sense and already by the time you get to John Stuart Mill liberalism was full reddit

>>25619502 There are camps of liberals and not all of them are thinking about the same thing, nor would they agree to that same thing.

>>25619502 There might be liberal elements about socdems but it's definitely not >freedom, private property, freedom of speech, free market and so on Whatever they are "liberal" about, it's not those things

>>25619573 You can go back to Locke and see liberalism coming from schizoid mind

>>25619580 Everyone under the same rule of law is ridiculous yes but I don't think Locke would've been one of those SJW retards, I think he would've been a modern libertarian at best maybe somebody like my dad

>>25619591 He was a Puritan, like I said very schizoid mind and we all know how things develop

>>25619612 Anyway I am liberal about >private property, freedom of speech, free market and so on But I am illiberal about equality of rights

>>25619630 You are liberal about gay sex

>>25619639 I am liberal about that too but I also don't care about it

>>25619639 For example can you really say a physicist, who has scientific knowledge of the Universe and does alot for the State, should be treated in the same way as a mentally retarded person? By law, they are treated equally as any other citizen but they aren't equals.

>>25619639 And so the rule of law is not efficient enough and it should be changed.

>>25619639 Or rule of law should be done away with, either way.

>>25619502 > Not really or you never actually read any early lib writing I read John Locke and he was pretty radical libertarian even by today’s standards

liberty for those with huge economic power to fuck you over.

>>25621431 Milton Friedman has never ran a successful business or worked for a private firm for hire. His whole life's accomplishments were possible thanks to the so-called "welfare state": he was hired by government in the 30's, then taught economics at universities.

>>25626675 > Milton Friedman has never ran a successful business or worked for a private firm for hire. and how it devaluates his ideas?

>>25627707 It means he should be taken for granted, at best.

>>25627707 If you learned from a professor about things he read about never really experienced them first hand, like for example military strategy, would you really trust this person 100% I wouldn't think so if I were in your shoes

>>25627707 So many things people will learn about but most of it is trivial at best and is never really applied in any way, rendering them useless and Berndish

>>25627707 Marx is also a good example of a faux intellectual by the way

>>25627733 > If you learned from a professor about things he read about never really experienced them first hand, like for example military strategy, would you really trust this person 100% I don’t learn how to build business empire from him, I learn how economics works