I still do 80 percent of my searching the regular way because AI search gives you shit results

>>25607165 same

AI keeps giving me fake bullshit. Plus it's not trained on recent documentation I need. For me it replaced Stack Overflow, but not Google

>>25607165 >>25607168 Google is incredibly shit as a search engine now days. One day I just realized what it has become, even with adblocker.

Ouch, so your entire thought process is based on the most probable tokens. Nice. Soon you wont be able to do shit anymore, and stuff fails for unknown reasons with no way to recover. Informationsphere hygiene is very important.

>>25607178 Try grok, it works very well for me.

>>25607181 1) Google is already so polluted, after getting used to AI it feels dirty using it. 2) "If you rely on the search engine for getting information, you'll be trouble when it won't work" - the argument was made when the internet was invented, then later about wikipedia. Basically nobody uses books anymore, and I am old enough having searched information from books and libraries.

>scour all kind of random forums for information, leave tons of tabs open Its not that deep homie

>>25607194 You can write directly into books, and you can use multiple sheets of paper at once, but of course, you can always use paint and multiple displays. Also Books dont have notifications, huge plus. Wikipedia is still untrustworthy.

>>25607194 >Basically nobody uses books anymore kill yourself

>>25607180 Yes, its bad im not disputing that. But I need concrete information sometimes and you can't trust AI to give you definite data, like exact numbers.

So basically, you now blindly believe an AI. When did Bernd become so stupid?

>>25607214 Nobody would get you exact numbers from google anyway. The old google process was something like: 1) Type in a search and hope someone else has had the same problem/question and hope that someone has answered to it in some forum. 2) Repeat until you have exhausted all posts from all threads regarding to the topic. 3) You know have a vague understanding (if you trust people typing the posts). New process: 1) The AI does all that for you and presents the information in condensed easily readable format, as if it was from a book. Obviously AI saves a lot of time because you don't have to read the shitposts yourself and is more reliable since it can search more sources than you have time to read.

Ai knowledge cutoff point is kind of bad for stuff that moves quickly, and it also tends to recommend outdated/deprecated stuff or just plain wrong stuff from stack overflow, or it recommends some bull shit that doesn't exist or overcomplicates things just because. And if you use one integrated with an IDE you can watch it shred your codebase quickly like a hardcore schizo on meth with severe brain damage.

>>25607227 But otherwise I agree with OP

>>25607227 > IDE you can watch it shred your codebase quickly like a hardcore schizo on meth with severe brain damage. What do you mean by this, what does it do? I haven't tried using it in IDE (yet). What's the benefit?

Knowledge is knowing where you can find the information. Aren't you outsourcing that skill?

>>25607250 I've used research papers as my primary information, it's convenient to ask grok to briefly summarize the paper. If I need more I can always read it thoroughly (which I rarely did before anyway).

>>25607232 The problem I described really only happens if you just let the LLM make any changes it wants without reviewing them. But yeah, it can get cocky and try to make huge changes or it forgets previous changes it made and starts making spaghetti. But it can be useful for reviewing a codebase and suggesting stuff. I've only used Cline for this so far

>>25607260 I wouldn't let the AI do that. I'd let it to refactor it with strict parameters like "split this class into two" and then review the code. Or have it to suggest autocompletion of boilerplate code like boring interfaces.

I use perplexity AI for searching

>>25607258 does it give you reproducible answers?

>>25607269 I haven't noticed any errors. I tried it a few times by reading the paper first to understand it, then asked grok to read it and explain it to me. It arrived to same conclusion as I did.

>>25607277 This kind of exercise is also good to test if you have understood the paper properly. For example if grok understands it properly then you can go back and read it again in case you understood it wrong.

>>25607277 >I haven't noticed any errors. Ah okay, great.

>>25607143 Yup, search engines are very bad and inefficient compared to LLMs.

>>25607227 >And if you use one integrated with an IDE you can watch it shred your codebase quickly I installed this neovim plugin called avante. Basically puts a prompt in your editor that you can use with different models with an API key. It will post code changes and then you see the diff in neovim and can accept or reject them. Basically the same deal as Cursor. I used it to implement a bunch of features in a personal project. Most of the code worked, some needed additional prompting. But basically it implemented it all without me writing any code. Sure, the code was bad and repetitive, but it works. And I don't feel like doing web stuff anymore but I need this project for personal use, so I might as well have the AI write it for me.

>>25607382 Interesting, it still needs human to read it through but I guess the AI code quality will just improve from now on. Some are saying AI will make coders obsolete, but maybe it will make everyone a Linus Torvalds who just goes through commits reading code and making sure everything works correctly.

AI has replaced imageboards for me for general questions, it's much more knowledgeable and doesn't call me a gypsy.

llms are great help and bernd who disagrees out of principle is a grumpy autistic idiot.

>>25607423 >using random pedos and neets as an information source Wow. Gyps are even dumber than I thought.

>>25607436 Kraut used to be good for "serious discussions", not that a dumb brown tranny newfaggot would know

>>25607448 How would you know? You were banned there 99% of the time for being a brown pest.

>>25607143 >Now I can just ask AI and it will do all that for me and present the condensed version what I wanted to know. >I don't have to think at all! >I love progress, I love science!

>Jews ruin search engines through Zionist censorship <Jews force everyone to use datamining AI to use the data to enact Zionism, which is worse than old search engines when you could sort by forums that arent kikeddit >finnshits applaud new search engine You finns are the dumbest fucks on the planet. You never cease to amaze. Its like you poured all of your intelligence on securing basic material needs and for anything beyond that you have none.

>>25607461 My thoughts exactly, wow, I hope Finland gets annexed by Russia soon.

>>25607461 He said he didn't notice any errors. So he must be right.

>>25607461 facebook boomer tier post

>>25607181 >Ouch, so your entire thought process is based on the most probable tokens. Nice. >Soon you wont be able to do shit anymore, and stuff fails for unknown reasons with no way to recover. I think that's the future of mankind. We only watch AI like a professional athlete. While our body (brain) gets fatter.

>>25607461 >>25607463 Finns are known to be extremely gullible and uncritical. Name any institution or NGO, Finns will trust it more than anyone else in the world.

> hey goyims, we sharted up the search engines, so you better use the lobotomized AI we made to surveillance > data centers are for training AI, not for collecting BIG DATA on you, like the last time, I swear

>>25607411 Yeah, there still needs to be someone to review the stuff and many times nudge it into the right direction. Also, it helps a lot if you're very specific with the requests, like providing technical details of the implementation. For example: "make this faster" vs "use a hashmap for the lookup". One will yield much better results much faster. It really looks like it will make competent developers much more productive, while leaving junior devs in a tough position. I know this take has been made ad nauseam, but all of my experiences echo it. It's like having a junior dev in your editor that can shit out 1000 lines of code per minute. It's a brilliant tool but you have to know when and where to apply it.

>>25607461 How does clicking around hyperlinks for hours to find the relevant piece of information make me think somehow more? It's tedius and boring, I hate it. The AI is in essence just a glorified search engine and very good at that, I can concentrate on digesting the information and reading slowly (as opposed to reading fast which I have to do because most of the information is so sparse on information, most of it can be just glanced over).

>>25607486 >Y-you wouldn't make me irrelevant, only the junior devs, r-right CohenAI?

>>25607498 I wont argue with this. It just might make the senior devs obsolete too as it advances. But this has been my experience so far.

which generative ai and combo do smart bernds use? please help midwit like myself im sure theres a better human being than me whom take advantage

>>25607486 That's what I thought as well, the AI acts as sort of force multiplier, makes good programmers even more productive, while beginners don't even understand what to ask from it.

>>25607461 I only ask it about coding and mathematics. If my code compiles and does the thing I want it to do, it works. For all the other stuff like politics and history, I already have the correct information and opinions.

>>25607505 Don't forget unit tests for the AI generated code.

>>25607507 Maybe ask the AI to write unit test for the code it wrote. Then just review the unit test and make sure it passes. High iq move.

>>25607474 The Chess-Turk fooled people for 87 years, making people believe they were playing against a machine, while in it a tiny human played chess against them. Poisoning and Biases are already a problem. And its in addition to dependency hell and container/cloud abstraction. Probably not a problem for a console player.

>>25607502 >Wow I'm so smart I'm using chatgpt this is going to set me apart! >well they don't know how to use it, only I know how to use it!

>>25607516 You are just angry because you can't program and feel left out.

>>25607526 Wrong and wrong. I'm ridiculing you for being extremely naive as well as pretentious.

>>25607532 For comparison I decided to search from google the same exact same question. Look at this shit, how is this shitshow somehow better than the AI generated answer? Full of answers to wrong questions, old information, misinformation. Have fun digging through all that crap just to find that there are three libraries for python latex output worth using. The AI even gave me hello worlds for each so I can make the decision in 5 minutes as opposed to 50 minutes.

>>25607507 >>25607509 I have no idea what a unit test is. I just put "Don't make any mistakes" at the end of my prompts

>>25607546 Lmao

>>25607516 It's true though, it would really be like feeling around in the dark especially when it fucks anything up

AI has transformed the way I jerk off

>>25607544 Creating latex tables is not programming. Let me guess, you are some elderly university worker.

>>25607546 Lol. Gigachad move.

>>25607457 I wasn't banned on kraut you dumb brown subhuman.

>How would you know? Simple: I was there and you weren't, gook tranny

Another Ai ad thread. Go back

for me it's useful when I want a summary of a book/game/movie plot or character

>>25607143 now the information is properly curated i see only what the lords want me to see

>>25608639 >i see only what the lords want me to see Google has been this way since 15 years or so?

>>25608652 coincidentally haven't used google for 20 years

>>25608657 I doubt other search engines are any better, most use google's backend anyway.

>>25608664 i usually ask tarot cards

>>25608667 Based.

>>25608667 typical

>Python bro I couldn't give a fuck, I hate this rookie ass unserious language and everyone who uses it.

More please

>>25611090 What do you use to write scripts with?

All a part of the dumbing down process

>>25607178 >For me it replaced Stack Overflow, but not Google >>25607180 >Google is incredibly shit as a search engine I haven't used Google since like 2021 when the reduced the search results to 8, and all of them are ads. Bing is somewhat better. I use a combination of Bing and Copilot depending on how difficult the topic is to find working search terms for. I think I mostly use Bing though.

<Waaah! GHoo-GAL sucks now!! *spits out dummy* >Completely neglects to mention the simple web mechanics that made Google the defacto search engine while also neglecting to choose the watershed moment from the various major revisions which caused it to suck. Dilettantes.

>>25607461 you sound old daddy

>>25611341 Because you think zoomers cannot into privacy and security?

>>25607485 that ship has sailed already, it's a brave new world unless you want to go full Linus Kachinsky

>>25611362 I only jerk off to straight porn and don't google "kill all jews", I don't need TOTAL privacy, I want some comfort in life

>>25608310 ughhh, just watch the movie

>>25611184 it's just a tool, you have to learn how to apply it and always have a healthy dose of scepticism most people are not that bright anyway and that was always the case

>>25611273 >watershed moment from the various major revisions which caused it to suck. Tell us about them plz

google search and others now suck ass tho. you only get ai generated spam as a result. and soon your ai answers will be based on other ai slop, giving you nothing but condensed nonsense. dead internet theory is real.

it's only useful in "gimme stats for..." "gimme researches for..."

>>25614224 Just a moment ago I tried to find the user manual for my old laser printer, the link to pdf google gave me was 404d from the manufacturer's site. Then I asked the AI "what's the maximum size and thickness of paper for this model of printer", and got the answer in seconds. AI is just superior way to get information. No ads, no low iq shitposts, no noise, just pure condensed information.

>>25615079 >No ads Just imagine when the companies figure out they can put advertising into AI chatbots.

>>25607143 Based AI enjoyer. I use Claude, Chatgpt and Deepseek daily for a lot. It made my software engineer work so much easier. Can't wait for AI to replace me so I could finally chill on my neetbux allowance and enjoy the new cyberpunk life era.

>>25615185 best models will be paid sooner or later. Poor will get shit models.

>>25607165 fpbp

>>25607165 >AI search gives you shit results no it doesn't!

No shit AI is better than StackCurryflow. If you want extreme optimized special information, you go to those who know. Otherwise you go to your favourite LLM. If you're not operating at a level that requires genius hacker knowledge then you should just stick to letting the LLM guide you. However you should still seek to learn and understand and build from first principles, this should be obvious right?

I've been using claude to prototype the stuff I have in my head. Shit is nice. I might pay for the $20 service because holy shit it's like putting reality to dreams.

>>25621342 This for example https://claude.site/artifacts/e439328e-e3c3-4069-be2a-42f3ba1e9fd5 When I work with electrical panels, I have to punch out holes in a rather small area; and you can't necessarily patch up holes in an electric panel (it'd not worth welding it back on). Laying out the holes is fine in real life, but it would be nice to have some sort of online mockup, or have that done automatically for me.

AI is also great for investigating literature from countries that haven't translated their works to English. I'm a fan of world /lit/, for whatever reason, but the English Canon is obsessed with ... writers who wrote in English. Even the Great Books canon rarely features works written by writers who didn't write in English. So I can pose to a chatbot. List the works from this country from this time period or if they wrote on this subject. And I can do my research from that. Maybe there will be a longer form places where I can dump the said text (most of it is in the public domain), into one of these programs, translate that into English, then turn the whole thing into an audio book where they have different narrators voice out the dialogue. That's amazing to me.

https://claude.site/artifacts/095ebca1-49f1-46e4-88e1-42e846c6e9c1 Here's a dead simple lookup for molar masses of elements. Shit like this is done with simple sentences, vs me loading up a spreadsheet, and doing a VLookup

>>25621359 This shit would take me a whole day to do when I was an undergrad

>>25621367 Educational shit

>>25621382 >The Box smart pointer allocates the vector on the heap >// Wrap the vector in a box So which one is it? And the C example is just a stack allocated array. I don't understand what its trying to demonstrate here?

>>25621382 Incoherent rambling

>>25621351 Try Notebook LM, it turns any PDF into a 10 minute Podcast, such a nice way to digest information.

>>25614170 you can use search operators to filter the noise Example: "nigger" site:reddit.com will show only Reddit results with nigger

>>25621899 site is better than that you can prefix the path site:www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive nigger

worth to mention is also negative: -site:reddit.com to exclude reddit from results useful when they block your ip

Asked the AI to produce me an example code for custom bulleted list in latex. It gave me an example code which didn't work, I debugged it a while, pinpointed the suspicious error and asked the AI again. It fixed the code and apologized. It's like two idiots doing pair programming where the other has booksmarts but no iq, and the other has iq but does not know the syntax, lol what a time to be alive.

>>25627584 I must have forgotten this >>25607546 bernds advice and didn't instruct it "don't make mistakes".

>>25627596 I guess it's a strategy so you don't just copy code but actually think about it