Link to article from Singaporean press. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/east-asia/south-korea-japan-relations-acting-president-choi-sang-mok-4969386

Weird how invested you are in such remote politics when the political situation in your own country is bordering on apocalyptic.

Korea already controls Japan.

Korean right wing are Japanese puppets. Masses must rise and overthrow regime and implement JUCHE

is korea even a country? its a meme state

>>25547129 > deflect You are learning well from your porkner handlers. It's also not remote. Europe is my home. The US should be an ally. The repercussions of Trump's emotional instability in the White House affect the entire world.

>>25547129 Asian politics heavily influence the prices of basic computer parts needed in every fucking thing, you politics-illiterate burgerclap

>>25547146 > deflect This is equvilent to what I was implying about you. So are you just reducing what I said to one word or are you being grade school about this? >It's also not remote Korea is on the other side of the globe. What the fuck do you mean it's not remote? > Europe is my home non sequitur >The US should be an ally. They have the US full military support and reseive billions of dollars worth of bleeding edge military equipment. And what does the US get? A whole lot of whining and complaining. Doesn't seem like a very good deal to be honest. Might be time for some renegotiation while putting America first. >The repercussions of Trump's emotional instability in the White House affect the entire world. Good.

>Donald Trump in his first term makes statements about USA allies taking more responsibility for their own defense, including South Korea >Donald Trump runs on a platform of making the US allies more responsible for their own national defense in second term >Trump tells the world over and over again, in no uncertain terms, exactly the same things >Trump allies: Well I guess we had better start looking to better protect our nations through other means <WHAAAT WHY IS TRUMP LOSING IT ALL! HE'S COOKED BROS THE USA IS LOSING ALL INFLUENCE. WHY IS HE SO STUPID THAT HE WOULD DO THIS THING THAT HE CLEARLY DOESN'T INTEND TO HAPPEN ok man.

total zigger death and total shart death

>>25547217 Meanwhile the world continues to forget Poland exist until the next witcher related thing comes out.

>>25547217 Хрюкни ещё, педорашко

>>25547223 The Witcher will be trash going forward, its all going to be about the women and relationships and gay witches and shit from now on. Poland is back to toilet maintenance against.

Trump antics are actually changing the entire global geopolitical landscape. Im sure its all part of his 4d chess plan and he is not just a retardet narcissistic grifter that does random low impusle control shit

>>25547129 Brits are retarded. They had an empire and can’t spice their food for a reason.

>>25547248 its all WWE hes always two steps ahead

>>25547265 What kind of blacktwitter insult against brits is that.

>>25547265 stfu lardass this brit is my friend we stayed in the same soil for a while get back on your powerchair beetus baby

>>25547198 Please take a deep breath and relax for a few minutes before typing again. I don't want to read your PMS posts. >>25547199 Do you think alliances can be kept after betrayal in the middle of war? This thread shows that even if the US wants to let go of Ukraine, not only are the the US' relations with Europe hurt but also the US' alliances with other countries elsewhere. So this is not a remote conflict as the other Bernd said. It's all connected and at the centre of it all is crybaby Trump.

>>25547272 he got lard in his brain

>>25547199 I can't believe there is still trumptards left doing this retardet mental gymnastics of "Trust the plan". He literally does crypto scams. He doesn't has some great plan. He does low impulse control shit because he is retardet. This is not 4d chess. His plan was to win the nobel peace price ending the war in ukraine, because obama got one, so he wanted one. And he failed. They thought they can pressure zelensky with their retardet stunt. This wasn't some 4d chess move to make europeans not rely on america. Even then, why would it even be in americas interest when europe doesn't rely and trust america? This is literally psychotic. You are giving away all leverage you have, just to do putin a favor.

>>25547299 alman hands wrote this europe is done trump has no business with them

You're a slavic refugee

>>25547278 >Do you think alliances can be kept after betrayal in the middle of war? If youre asking me do I think that the US will lose allies due to our stance on the Ukraine war, the answer is no I don't think we will lose allies unless we break the alliance. It may be that the US breaks the alliance itself. We may pull out of NATO entirely if things continue the way they're going from Europe.

>>25547319 Better to be a Slavoid refugee than to lose all of my mates one by one after throwing a tantrum in the White House. Donny no mates the crybabyand his chubby sidekick Vance. What on earth is happening to America.

>>25547278 >no argument >only weak insults from a weak person from a weak country

>>25547299 If someone says they're going to do something if they are elected, and then I hear what they say and vote for them hoping this will happen, and then IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS, I'm happy. You can make silly statements like "trust the plan" and so on, but he is doing what he said that made me vote for him. I want out of funding Ukraine. I want out of NATO. I want government slashed, globohomo out, USA first policy for everything. I'm not sure where you think that things aren't working out for Trump voters. The only thing that he's failing on is releasing documents and not deporting enough immigrants.

>>25547358 What are you on about? What is he doing that he promised? He promised he would end the war in ukraine day one and bring the price of eggs down.

>>25547358 So you promised ukraine if they give their nuclear weapons up, you protect them, and then just drop them like a hot potato, literally just because of kremlin talking points about muuuh cost. But then you keep sending billions to israel. You waste more money just giving government contracts to elon than sending stuff to ukraine.

If Korea, Japan and Taiwan made free trade zone like EU without politics. That would be what I'd invest in. They'd crank out so much more ships, autos, heavy machines. Samsung would be getting tariff free Sony cam sensors and Taiwanese chips.

>>25547367 The eggs thing is a retarded lefitst talking point. I just told you what he's doing, and you just ignored it. Yes, he said the bombastic "i'll end the war on day one" which everyone who isn't retarded realizes is hyperbole in the way he does it. Just like he says everything he does will be the biggest and greatest and its usually just in the right direction. How are you still so retarded you don't understand this guy? He's not that hard to understand.

>>25547382 There is no way you actually want out of nato? What?

>>25547378 We did not make security guarantees in the Budapest agreement. Stop outright lying.

>>25547336 Well that depends on America's diplomatic recovery. I'm sure things can be spun in the US' favour, and pretty quickly too, but Trump will have to wind his neck in and Vance must learn to bite his tongue.

>>25547382 >How are you still so retarded you don't understand this guy? He's not that hard to understand. I read this: Maga takes him seriously but not literally, leftists take him literally by not seriously

>>25547390 > In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum. https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion > "Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used". The UN Security Council is obligated to protect Ukraine.

>>25547387 of course I want out of NATO. Are you serious? You haven't been paying attention.

>>25547401 NON-MILITARY ASSISTANCE

>>25547404 Why would america just give up all the leverage they have over half the world? Who benifits besides putin?

>>25547406 Where does it say that? Non military assistance to a war of agression?

>>25547408 Why would Putin benefit? He can't even take out Ukraine. Russia is a joke.

>>25547414 Because you don't have to invade europe to benifit from a weaker nato. Russia gains more leverage with a weak nato.

>>25547401 > "Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used". >in which nuclear weapons are used >nuclear weapons What? I'm not even talking about that clause. I'm talking about the clause that should Russia violate the treaty we'd have to provide non-military assistance. Why are you quoting the part about nukes? That's not relevant to now

>>25547404 >of course I want out of NATO. What about NORAD?

>>25547416 >should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used You literally can't read the "or"? Are you pretending to be stupid, or are you in full backfire effect making on the spot any bullshit up to double down on your retardet russia propaganda?

>>25547417 >NORAD Its ours basically. We'll just rename it to USAORAD

2.0 incoming

America's word is pretty close to meaningless at this point.

>>25547358 Great. I'm glad that you're glad. This thread highlights that the US can't simply sever relations with one ally and not expect knock-on effects from other alliances. Trust and reputation is very hard to build and very easy to destroy. Trump's temper tantrum will also put into doubt guarantees of American military help for countries which America has significant trade with like Taiwan and the Persian Gulf. Who knows what the effects of the cheapening of an American diplomat's words will have there too.

>>25547427 Trump is Japanese Imperial Family agent who's on official payroll to Israel AIPAC. He basically is forcing Korea to work with Japan now. And for Germany to find new military partner with Japan.

I can't believe cuckservatives still exist that defend zion don. Even the retardet boomer friends i have think trump is a retard. The real racist are the democrats, am i right? As long as they come legally!

>>25547411 It doesn't say anything about direct military assistance (troops), what the UK is doing now and what the US was doing until last month is precisely what was intended as a matter of fact

>>25547423 Ok, take a deep breath and lets break the sentence down. >> "Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used". >if they should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression Ok, that's the part where the or lies. So if either they become a victim or the object of a threat >in which nuclear weapons are used". That part is separate from the or, and applies to both clauses prior. Nuclear weapons must be used in order for any of this to apply

>>25547437 >Even the retardet boomer friends i have think trump is a retard. So retarded boomers are the ones that hate Trump? lol

>>25547446 Thats literally retardet bullshit you just made up on the spot again.

I love Japanese and Korean women. They should just get along.

>>25547448 The american boomers i know are right wingers that still voted him, because they didn't want a pajeet woman as their president. But they all are pretty critical about trump. Maga cuckservatives are their own special breed. I thought at least on imageboards like Kc they would have died out after the jeet scandal. But no, still full of cuckservatives here.

>>25547430 does this mean you expect them to still defend you when they say they don't think you are worth defending and you put no effort into defending yourself?

>>25547462 Ukraine doesn't protects themselves?

>>25547449 I'm not making it up, I can just read. You're the type that screeches about the 2nd amendment only applying to a well-regulated militia because you can't into reading clauses in documents

>>25547468 what about ukraine? US has never promised to defend them militarily.

>>25547474 You are a retardet cuckservative that only can think in democrat/republican terms.

>>25547484 I haven't said the first thing about democrats or republicans at all. I'm just telling you that the nuclear deal about nuclear weapons was in fact concerning the use of nuclear weapons.

>>25547480 America did promise exactly that. What they didn't do is make a treaty. So sure, they legally are not bind to do anything. But they did promise to keep ukraine secure. Like i said, americas word is meaningless.

>>25547493 No they didn't

>>25547493 Its don't man. We didn't make security guarantees. Ukraine actually did ask for them though back then, and we said no. Just as now.

An American President speaking 41 years ago at the 40th anniversary of the Normandy Landings. Trump looks like a shrinking violet compared to the greats of yore.

>>25547107 Trust the plan

>>25547498 > This agreement meant that Ukraine would destroy the weapons and the U.S., United Kingdom (U.K.), and Russia would guarantee Ukraine staying secure. They did promise exactly that.

>>25547387 Yes, I want out of Nato and so do a very large amount of the American population. Nato is pretty unpopular with a large chunk of Americans for a very large number of reasons.

>>25547507 That's extremely vague. Concerning nukes it is still the case since Russia didn't nuke Ukraine, but no one promised to send troops to defend Ukraine's internationally recognised borders

>>25547507 the US interprets this as meaning they will respect Ukraine's borders and territorial integrity. Not that it is a military alliance.

>>25547503 You somewhere read that talking point "Actually we didn't make a security gurantee!!!", and now just repeat it. Like i said, you didn't make a legally binding treaty. But you did make a agreement, and you did make a promise to keep ukraine secure. It literally takes 5 seconds of googling. > The U.S. did make a deal in 1994 with Ukraine, known as the Budapest Agreement. Ukraine actually had the third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile. This was because the newly-founded Ukraine ended up with the Soviet Union’s nuclear weapons in their territory after the Soviet Union collapsed. >This agreement meant that Ukraine would destroy the weapons and the U.S., United Kingdom (U.K.), and Russia would guarantee Ukraine staying secure. This, however, is not a treaty. >“The Iran nuclear deal was an agreement, just like the Budapest Agreement in 1994. So, the next president can just no longer honor it. That’s exactly what Trump did with the Iran nuclear deal. If it’s a treaty, it’s law and you cannot revoke it,” said Kaussler. You repeat 1:1 retardet kremlin talking points without even understanding them. I don't make the claim america is legally bind to help ukraine. they are not. I say they promised they keep ukraine secure. Thats literally a fact. But for the past 10 post you just keep doubling down and make retardet shit up on the spot.

>>25547524 >the US interprets this as meaning they will respect Ukraine's borders and territorial integrity. Not that it is a military alliance. The US/Nato promised to keep ukraine secure. And they now decide to not honor that promise. Its that simple.

>>25547526 That says that Russia would guarantee security for Ukraine, not the US. You're just misreading it to say that USA made security guarantees. We didn't. Even what you put in your post clearly says what I'm saying

nah but need to talk with russia to end the slav infights

>>25547524 guy is wolga and really wants this to mean that "the west betrayed Ukraine!!!" or something. he won't change his mind

>>25547534 >The US/Nato promised to keep ukraine secure. The thing is, they didn't exactly promise that, and even if they did, the war is basically lost. Losers of wars don't get to dictate the terms.

>>25547542 >That says that Russia would guarantee security for Ukraine, not the US. Russia, US and Uk. Are you a chatbot? > You're just misreading it to say that USA made security guarantees. We didn't. Jesus. It takes 5 seconds to google this stuff. You did. Why you repeat to me retardet 4chan knowledge instead of just googling it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum > Even what you put in your post clearly says what I'm saying You can't read then.

>>25547550 The west? The west mostly still supports ukraine. But i don't really care about ukraine. Its just obvious that trump is siding with putin, and that americas word is meaningless.

>>25547552 > It didn't happen! Ok even if it did happen it doesn't matter anyways Ok retard.

>>25547557 You need to be reminded of realpolitik.

>>25547566 I don't think he's fond of putin either, he is just trying to go full isolationist but nowadays it's unheard of

>>25547573 The war is lost. The number one rule of politics is don't lose wars. Everything else is secondary and contingent on that fact.

>>25547574 You just changing the goalpost. You don't even know what my opinion about the ukrainewar is. Fact is that america did promise security to ukraine. That no country wants to risk nuclear war to defend some slavic shithole is another story.

>>25547557 Now you're starting to get on my nerves. I've tried to be polite even though you're very emotional. THE US DIDNT VIOLATE UKRAINES BORDERS YOU MORON We agreed not to violate their borders, as did Russia. We didn't violate it, Russia did. We didn't promise military intervention if another country violated the agreement. How fucking dumb are you when you get emotional like this.

>>25547581 So you actually did make all this shit up on the spot, and now you just change the goalpost. Maybe you should get checked for narcissism or something. Normal people can admit if they are wrong, and just say "Ok true, but the war is lost anyways so we have to look at actually practical solutions". Instead you double down with retardet kremlin lies and make bullshit up on the spot, and now that i have disproven everything you said you just say "Doesn't matter anyways, ever heard of realpolitics?" Such kike behavior.

Ickle wickle Trumpie and Vancie did a big cwy waah waah I hope we can look back at this moment and laugh at this temporary blip. Our beloved Yanks need to get someone with common sense in the White House. Hopefully Congress, with the grace of God, can block the manchild from doing owt else stupid.

>>25547585 >THE US DIDNT VIOLATE UKRAINES BORDERS YOU MORON Jesus are you retardet. Where did you get that talking point from? The US doesn't has to violate ukraines borders. > We agreed not to violate their borders, as did Russia. You literally can read the agreement you dumb mutt. This is getting insane.

>>25547593 That's a different ball, idiot.

>>25547566 The fact is, the memorandum was pretty vague, but it's just common sense that no troops were promised. What the UK is doing is basically what was intended, using common sense. What trump is about to do (only "political backing") is the least possible to be done to comply with it. No one ever expected troops, unless ukrainian politicians were extremely naive and dumb

>>25547583 >You don't even know what my opinion about the ukrainewar is. It is really not relevant. You are both insisting on something that isn't true and doesn't matter. >>25547593 It isn't a changing of goal post. Both statements are true dumbass. The US didn't make the promise you insist they did AND The war is lost and losers of wars aren't in the position to do shit about much of anything. Can you not hold two ideas in your head? Is that beyond your capacity?

Japan wants to form Pacific NATO with USA and will steer them back to us

>>25547595 > temporary blip. Yeah, nah.

>>25547619 I mean once the manbaby has exited and your people put two non-senile grown adults on the either ticket again. Like in all your elections before 2016.

>>25547610 They did. > Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used". UN said they help ukraine. Now trump doesn't wants to honor the agreement. Which he can do. I know you did your weird mental gymanstics how this actually means only if nuclear weapons are used, but thats complete bullshit you made up on the spot.

Amerikanski Mir is not looking so good bros

>>25547566 >and that americas word is meaningless. Since 5 February, 2003.

>>25547622 Where will all the retards that elected him goo

>>25547622 3 years is still a long time away

Zeihan prediction that Japanese and Turks will become more powerful is playing out. Reason is basically Chinese and Americans will become annoying powers and all neutrals will gravitate their region first.

>>25547623 So you are proving that you have shit reading comprehension as well as not being able to hold two ideas in your head. Got it. You are actually and unironically retarded and I am done wasting time responding to you.

I find it absurd how he literally can scam his own supporters, and people unironically still defend him.

>>25547632 I imagine he will lose a lot of power after congress flips

>>25547638 Make an actual argument instead of just saying "NO u wrong".

>>25547641 Are you a bot or just working from a script of talking points?

>>25547632 It's more like 4 mate. We're only just starting month 2 of Trump's 2nd term.

There is a PLAN here..... ...TRUST IT !

>>25547623 That wording does seem to imply that it only means if putler threatened to nuke, or nuked ukrainian territories. Regardless Russia just vetoed any security council actions, but the UK and the US still sanctioned russia (least obligation) and gave money and military equipment..

>>25547648 What is it with 89 IQ retards that think everybody that doesn't likes putin or trump is a shill or bot. No schizo, there is no bots on a imageboard with 40 users. Nobody wastes money on that.

>>25547642 >I imagine he will lose a lot of power after congress flips Trump will cry about rigged election, send the National Guard. Or he could start some ballot stuffing on his own, it worked for Putin.

>>25547654 NPC behavor confirmed.

this thread is bombando (skull emoji)

>>25547658 Democrats are doubling down on crazy. They aren't going to flip congress in the midterms. Enjoy the ride, it's going to be long for you

>>25547653 >but the UK and the US still sanctioned russia (least obligation) and gave money and military equipment.. At least the money part was promised by france, uk and us. And uk and france honor their promise. America does not.

>>25547642 He isn't really don't much through congress. The vast majority of stuff he is doing is through executive orders because he got pretty badly burned trying to play ball with congress his first term and now knows better.

>>25547659 >NPC behavor confirmed.

>Venus year >Unlikely alliances and relationships Maybe there is something to this astrology bullshit.

>>25547684 Next up: Ukraine + Russia vs USA + China

>>25547689 How? As a creative exercise, eggsplain how it comes to be

>>25547667 Actually, no. The wording is vague. Even if only diplomatical and political backing was offered it would still befit what was promised (what Trump is about to do). But what the UK is doing is basically common sense (weapons, humanitarian help, money) regarding the spirit of the treaty. Unless Ukraine was extremely gullible and dumb there's no way any troops were expected, but what Trump is about to do by finishing all the common sense stuff is still not exactly against the treaty, it just means he doesn't care about it like the UK and the EU do, which is what he was saying all along with America first.

America just needs to stamps its foot and you faggots will all fall in line kek

Ok return Dokdo to Japan then nips will talk.

Honestly I think the US military will just coup Trump if things get out of hand, the US military is basically a country into itself, in my home country you get US military tooling/flying around, almost every first world country has a US military prescence of some sort.

>>25547358 >USA first policy >Makes USA weaker It's funny that you guys don't seem to understand geopolitics. Protip: Influence doesn't come cheap, and if you decide to save your money, the only thing that will happen is that you get influenced by others. In geopolitics you attack or you get attacked (Unless you're some Montenegro-tier thirdie shithole nobody cares about).

>>25547723 You imagine the USA is weaker without nations like Germany. I think we're stronger without you.

>>25547722 why are there so many south korean flags beside me and honsound nowaday? who the f are you?

>>25547414 > He can't even take out Ukraine. He just did though. WW3 in ~10 years. Keep in mind people said "Putin will not continue this, he can't afford it bla bla bla" in 2014 after Crimea, and yet here we are.

>>25547728 Not strong enough to resist Russia, in any case.

>>25547722 >almost every first world country has a US military prescence of some sort. Yeah that's gonna change soon. Eitehr Trump will pull them out or they will be asked to leave because the US is not considered an allied nation anymore.

>>25547746 lol you really imagine that Germany is the thing keeping the US safe from Russia? I see it quite the opposite. You need us, we do not need you. Or maybe I'm forgetting about the famous "Washington DC airlift"

>>25547690 WHo knows? Until 5 minutes ago I wouldn't have thought Korea cozying up to Japan either. It's gonna be a wild ride and it's only march.

>>25547758 >lol you really imagine that Germany is the thing keeping the US safe from Russia? No, you're just projecting. >You need us, we do not need you. We'll have to manage without you, kthxbye.

>>25547766 You said >Not strong enough to resist Russia, in any case. in reply to my statement >You imagine the USA is weaker without nations like Germany. I think we're stronger without you. implying we aren't strong enough to resist russia without Germany, right? Or am I misreading what you typed?

>>25547691 > The other signatories (the United States, United Kingdom and France) pledged non-military support to Ukraine in exchange for its adherence to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

>>25547788 Yes, exactly as I said. It's vague. But common sense dictates what we are doing now. Just voting against russian in some UN resolution also fits the criteria. Which Russia can veto, so in short nothing concrete was promised

>>25547107 But the japanese hate coreans

>>25547728 US will be as stronk as russia and burgers will have as good lives as the vatniks do.

>>25547783 > Or am I misreading what you typed? Yes. You're weaker than Russia, for whatever reason.

>>25547800 other way around and they both hate chinks even more

>>25547800 But do they hate them more than russians? Because you know, Japan and Russia aren't exactly besties.

>>25547808 >other way around lol no...

>>25547805 Even if it were true that we are weaker than Russia, which is obviously silly and from a place of emotion, having Germany along doesn't help us in any meaningful way. tfw your allies become so unhinged that war is more of a probability with them around

>>25547813 koreans were victims of japanese invasion, they women were used as prositutes.

>>25547461 My dad hates him because he wants TZD, while I love him because he wants peace and I don’t care if it happens at Ukraines expense. Both voted for him.

>>25547728 Nato is not like the EU, where for example germany ends up paying for poor countries. You don't pay for poor countries in nato. You literally gain nothing leaving nato. You just make america weaker and play into putins hands.

>>25547800 All things can be reconsidered when this is American foreign policy in the 2025th year of our Lord.

>>25547836 Russia is a non-country for us, its only a boogeyman for you

>>25547722 This has never happened in the entire history of our country

>>25547733 Gaijin in korea

>>25547843 Are you retardet or what? You don't understand how Nato gives you leverage geopolitically? China is probably not a danger to your military wise either, but you still get for example leverage over taiwan with your agreements and protection. Russia doesn't has to be a danger to you, its already enough if its a danger to european countries. But you obviously don't understand it. You think nato is some kind of club where america is paying money into, and once you leave you will be free and rich.

>>25547666 Don’t Americans care about foreign opinion? They’ll be treated poorly on vacation until they vote orange fool out of office

>>25547861 Well you had a civil war in the past so technically anything is possible. >>25547753 Thing is, the US, or rather the military-industrial-espionage complex isn't just gonna pack up and leave, especially from 5 eyes countries, the US has put billions into surveillance equipment on UK soil, they aren't just gonna go. Like I said, the US military is basically it's own country at this point. It's bigger than Trump, the presidency, the electoral system (aka 2 parties) in the US.

Having the EU form a united defense approach, one that is good enough to fight RU and China, is the last thing American government wants. The fact that Nato exists has been the US's strong arm in terms of trans-atlantic politics. A lot of concessions were gotten out of the fact that the US is the backbone of Nato and will cover our asses against Russia. Americans, in return syphon off most of the wealth. If the EU needs more funding for defense, the EU will focus more on domestic production and commerce and that will mean less cash going to the US. So i really don't understand what the rational behind trumps master plan is to get rid of nato. Either its some 4d chess idea he came up with again, or its literally just putlers doing.

>>25547879 Stop the bargaining, I don’t know if this abusive style works in Europe but it doesn’t work in the US

>>25547903 Im no world leader, i couldn't care less. It will financially suck a bit to get independent of the USA, but long term it will be benifical to us. I just don't understand what trumps gameplan is here. Instead of acting like a snarky redditor you could just explain it properly with arguments.

>>25547358 >I want out of NATO. Literally never ever gonna happen. Nobody would allow him to do this, even people in his own party know it would be retardet.

>>25547944 I think its much more realistic than you suspect. We may well leave NATO before the midterms.

>>25547903 >Stop the bargaining, I don’t know if this abusive style works in Europe but it doesn’t work in the US It's a leftist thing that works on other leftists. Very popular among females, too, naggy girl boss, etc.

>>25547951 0 chance. Its like when democrats promise retardet shit like taxing unrealized gains, or price capping, the experts actually running the country would never allow it because its outlandish and retardet. Literally nobody is gonna allow trump to leave nato, and he already backtracked from that "promise". It was retardet shit he said to rile retards like you up. But you can bet your money on polymarket that you will leave. Very great ods, you can get your money times 10.

>>25547944 Muttland out of NATO would be extremely based. The world should have as less american influence as possible. America should be brazil 2.0 and everyone will be happy

I don't understand why the american can't explain to me what the maga rational is behind leaving nato.

>>25547974 We'll see. I think its very dependent upon how Europe behaves towards the US. Even Graham is on board with Trump more and more now. After the mid-terms we may see even more of a republican gain with people like David Hogg running the DNC now. I think if Europe doesn't toe the line, we very well might leave NATO. You underestimate whats happening here.

>>25547986 Some conservative americans want isolationism

>>25548004 >Some conservative americans want isolationism Yeah but obviously not trump, who wants to import jeets to provide workers to his rich buddies. Literally everything trump does right now is just to get himself and his buddies richer.

Koreans don't want reconciliation they want to put japan under the whip hand and won't settle for anything else. t. Kpop enjoyer

>>25548004 Not isolationism per se, but more partners that do their fair share and a less aggressive and threatening foreign policy overall. Who doesn't want less american influence in their cunt? Well guess what, some Americans agree. We're tired of being hated for doing dirty shit and the people who do the dirty shit are the ones who beat their chests about NATO

>>25547986 There is an entire Europe and Atlantic Ocean between the US and Russia/China, and you all are very terrible trade partners We have better allies and trade partners in Asia, and there is not as much defense in depth, generally there are hostile communists just offshore or on the land border with our Asian allies It is wise for us to reinforce Asia, and Europe throws a tantrum because they will have social unrest as they cut into their welfare to pay for military, it will be problematic for the leftists that run Europe

Europe is a whorehouse ran by women

>>25548052 And the pimp of these women are Blackrock and George Soros.

>>25548028 >We're tired of being hated for doing dirty shit and the people who do the dirty shit are the ones who beat their chests about NATO Really? You want to give up all your influence in the world because of some retardet leftist memes? This is the dumbest thing i ever heard lol. And thats exactly why the people actually running america won't allow trump to just get out of nato.

Cringe and vaginal continent, the men sit down to pee

Drumpfy drumpf the problematic orange monkey. Ruining all the ties, completely unreliable. Drumpfy drumpf. You. Will. Regret this. Along with you Dumb Drumpfy Drumpf supporters.

>>25548108 We want less Greta, more Misaki

>>25548093 The idiocy of you thinking that leftist memes have anything to do with it. Our own CIA tells us the dirty shit that they do through FOIA requests. We even made you Germans scummy faggots through our propaganda techniques that are clearly stated and free for everyone to read and know now. We quite literally banned books on le Germany and made you into globohomo robots. Now we go around performing this castration on so many nations, all in the name of "DEMOCRACY" which we do not even practice as a constitutional republic. The warhawks who want to hold the world hostage ARE the left of center statists.

>>25548108 Nice redditspacing, faggot

We don’t want cottage cheese thighs wine guzzling white bitches no more we want qt pi tight azn baby girls!

>>25548026 There's a reason Koreans are always joked about in Japan as being uncivilised incompetent hillbillies

hi