He didn't bow down and kiss his feets that's why

>>25540790 Basically this. America is now a liability

If someone comes to your house, shits on your floor, and calls you faggot, you would be too.

>>25540810 >>25540785 >>25540831 > triple oink

Ukraine ran up a $500 billion dollar debt with the US and Zelensky is now insisting it was a grant and they aren't going to pay it back.

Just watch the whole thing retard

>>25540848 >>25540857 Russian disinformation

>>25540853 >poccnr logic

>>25540853 At least hes not a vatnik

>>25540860 >>25540862 >>25540864 > Russia, Russia, Russia Triple Oink, episode 2.

>>25540872 Russia is a corrupt shit hole that has state sponsored disinfo campaigns. Russia falsely accused the Ukrainians of genocide and an independent international court sided with Ukraine. Russia is a corrupt shit hole that has state sponsored disinfo campaigns. Russia falsely accused the Ukrainians of genocide and an independent international court sided with Ukraine. Russia is a corrupt shit hole that has state sponsored disinfo campaigns. Russia falsely accused the Ukrainians of genocide and an independent international court sided with Ukraine.

>>25540872 That doesn't change your logic to something other than poccnr logic

>>25540857 No refunds

>>25540881 >international court Never met a roosterian who cares about that

Trump wants to make a deal with Putin, but Zelenskiy fucked the buy insulting Putin

>>25540881 >Russia is a corrupt shit hole Same applies to Ukraine. Same applies to USA(to some states and cities at least, such as LA and Detroit slums full of fentanyl niggers) >that has state sponsored disinfo campaigns. Same applies to Ukraine(CIPSO) and USA(USAID sponsored media all over the world) >Russia falsely accused the Ukrainians of genocide What? You mean donbabwe genocide and the sactificed boy? It was a joke >and an independent international court sided with Ukraine. It's not independant, they work directly for USian LibDem political establishment(the so called Deep State)

- Zelensky: Give me more money and weapons. - Trump: No, we need a ceasefire first and mineral guarantees, so the USA has an economic reason to be involved. - Zelensky: No, I won't negotiate with Putin. Putin is pure evil and won't abide by the ceasefire. - Trump: Well, you need a ceasefire first, because we aren't going to give you more money and military equipment, if you don't agree to our terms. - Zelensky: Give me more money and weapons. - Vance: We're trying to end this war through diplomacy. Giving you more money and weapons just prolongs the conflict. - Zelensky: You don't know shit about what's going on in Ukraine. Your diplomacy with Russia won't work. - Vance: You're losing, you retard. You're losing so badly that you're pulling strangers off the street and pushing them to the frontline. - Zelensky: You don't know shit. You will feel the disaster of this war in your country eventually. - Trump: Don't tell us what we're going to feel you little nigger monkey. You don't have the fucking cards. You're nothing without us. And you're the dumbass that keeps saying you don't want a ceasefire. - Zelensky: We've been fighting this war alone for 3 years. - Trump: You didn't fight this war alone, retard. We gave you hundreds of billions of dollars in cash, aid and military equipment. Russia would've steamrolled your ass in 2 weeks if we didn't back you up. If you don't want our diplomacy, then go fight the war by yourself, asshole. ~ END ~ It should be clear to everybody that Zelensky does not want a ceasefire. He just wants more aid and military equipment with no strings attached. Go fight the war with your Eurocuck allies than you fucking faggot. Stop begging us for money, while simultaneously refusing to follow our diplomatic mission.

Ze demanded real guarantees except "putin respects me(trump)" in other words he questioned Trumps authority And when we are talking about Trump we must keep in head the fact of his giant ego

>>25541113 Instead of manufacturing thar fan fiction you could've just read the transcript

Because he insinuated that JD Vance is an idiot "what diplomacy are you talking about, AKCHUALLY PUTIN..." and insinuated that Americans are naive about Putin. And then he predicted that Putin will make them feel very bad. He was way out of line for a minor power.

Trump has some weird ass tactic of destroying every single friendship

>>25541088 >Russia is shit <But so are other countries Well yeah, but that doesn't make Russia not shit

Then he told the Vice President not to raise his voice. He gambled that Trump sort of would let that one slide or even enjoy it. This totally backfired.

>>25541141 I think the real reason is an extremely small dick of trump

>>25541141 he's narcissist but at least he makes hohols and europoors butthurt

>>25541138 and also insinuating that putin is gonna cross the ocean and attack USA lma, the green t-shirt is mad

Zelensky didn't have the cards

>>25541152 Russia is less shitty than Ukraine by all metrics. HDI, gdp per capita, average iq, nepotism prevalence. It's good vs evil and we are the good and they are evil.

>>25541157 This is your appearance

>>25541176 zelensky is a walking dead, i give him a year to be killed

Will I have a chance to target practice a few vatniks?

>>25541176 For once I'm proud of him. Trump and his sidekick are really naive and uninformed scumbags who will make a joke of America. And the only man in the entire free world who doesn't yield is a fucking comedian from Ukraine.

<trust me bro just sign the mineral deal putin respects me, he wouldn't dare to do anything to american assets in ukraine, you will be 100% safe >USA builds lithium mine/factory on Kharkiv oblast >Russian army captures the region >Knocks on factory door >"Hello, there's been some rearrangements in the area, pls use logistic routes through Belgorod now, thank you and have a nice day" >Everything continues as normal You must some kind of special type of retard to agree to retarded deal of Trump. It's not even a deal, he literally doesn't give Ukraine anything.

Watch it for yourself. The main fireworks happen in the final 10 minutes though. https://youtu.be/7pxbGjvcdyY Trump got mad at Zelensky because Trump couldn't stop lying about the war. He seems to think the US has given about 4x as much as it actually has to Ukraine and without American support, Ukraine would fold instantly. So Trump considers that the American position is literally invaluable and he can force a peace at any moment. Every single one of these points is incorrect. The US can have as many conversations with Putin as Trump wants, but the US simply cannot force a peace unless Europe also quits aiding Ukraine and Washington has absolutely no leverage to stop European aid and so the war will continue without Trump having a seat in the final peace deal.

>>25541176 he had this card, but its currently banned

>>25541176 Yes, that's why he lost the game.

>>25541186 >Russia is less shit And all of Europe is less shit by all metrics than Russia, by your logic we're the good guys and Russia is evil.

>>25541222 No, you're the retard if you think Trump would let Russia take something the US has.

>>25541238 You can't lose if you refuse to play.

>>25541217 Ze has acted like a typical xoxol - he was stubborn, aggressive, ungrateful and suddenly the whole world got a large dose of xoxol fatigue. But I'm not surprised xoxols only endorse such behavior. It's just a manifestation of their national character and Ze has proved to be one of them.

>>25541176 The Putin,....now he knows how to play The Cards

>>25541241 They won't take it, they will just capture the area around there and let US business work uninterrupted.

>>25541241 They've already taken dozens of American companies in the occupied territories and russia itself. You're uninformed

>>25541152 >>Russia is shit > Russia is the Gendarme of Europe as it has proven many times to be while wectern europe proved many times to be little bitches, who constantly bleat about muh democracy, about being oppressed and denied a chance for revolution by Russians, then when there's a revolution in Russia, instead of doing their promised swift social progress, the only thing they do is run in with the vans to pillage Russian wealth and feast on the bodies of the best Russians and the next moment progressive wectern communism is suddenly exclusively a Russian thing you didn't even prepared the academic position about Russians ruining the communism for you instead you went with the totalenkrieg in the historical Russian lands to expand your leben sraum Russia is perfect, literal heaven on Earth you are shit

>>25541247 ....and 5D chess too

>>25541238 Russia is Europe. We are the biggest and most populous country in Europe. And the most relevant. Not the perfect one of course, but no one is perfect, including you.

>>25541260 >Russian wealth Stopped reading right there

>>25541260 >Russia is the Gendarme of Europe I don't bloody think you got enough donkeys for that job.

>>25541264 >Russia is Europe

>>25541285 Go read a book(on geography)

>>25541255 It doesn't matter because that's on Biden and the companies are irrelevant. And I don't care if Putin drops dead tomorrow or Russia balkanizes. But Zelensky shouldn't negotiate this, and should retire.

>>25541264 If you're so European why don't you come join the EU? Oh wait

>>25541264 >Russia is Europe Bro, stop this cringe, you were never a part of European peninsula

>>25541309 NOOOOOO Poland is CENTRAL EUROPE!!!!!!!!

I doubt Zelensky will ever be invited back to The White Hose again, knowing Trump.

>>25541325 I don't think this has ever happened before. Zelensky is a legend

>>25541295 >My point that I was making two seconds ago is irrelevant because trump strong I bet you're very proud of your arguing skills

>>25540785 >Why Trump got so mad at Zelensky? Pls gib quick rundown. He promised to end the war in one day with 1 phonecall. Called Putin and asked him to agree to ceasefire. Putin refused (bc why would he agree?) Trump understood that he has 0 leverage over Putin and is unable to score political points by ending the war Biden was unable to end. Now there is a plan B: at any cost show that this is Zelenski (over whom Trump has all the leverage) who is reluctant to make peace deal and not Putin (over whom Trump has 0 leverage). To fulfill other election promise - cut the aid to Ukraine. Now he will cut the aid to Ukraine and probably pull out of NATO (because they are cutting spendings).

>>25541309 You can draw random lines on the map all you want but we both know that the Ukrainian contribution into European cultural legacy is practically zero(opposed to ours), Ukraine is a weak, externally supported nation without history and without future. Your population size has dropped like 30 percent since 1991. You lost all industries, you are the most corrupt country in Europe. The whole timeline since your "independance" should be in guidlines on how NOT to build up a state.

> Why Trump got so mad at Zelensky? because Russians have hypersonics and hypersonics can easily deny any wectern power access to any african or asian resources, because HATO forces are navy-based he has to deal with Russia/China now and use the time between losing the technical advantage and experiencing loss on the battlefield to prepare american economy for the local superpower status

>>25541246 Quite the opposite, trump and his retinue made themselves look like clowns

>>25541368 >Ukrainian contribution into European cultural legacy is practically zero Nigger, if not your Empire, you wouldn't be having Gogols and Bulgakovs. We would have had them instead.

>>25541368 Dude, Europe is a PENINSULA, i just draw its borders

>>25541375 Most importantly, you have donkeys. The power everyone respects.

>>25541368 >Russian contribution into European cultural legacy Say what?

>>25541368 Oh the irony

>>25541368 >show him what Europe actually is <immediately butthurt and whataboutoinkraine Huh, typical...

>>25541382 So Bulgakov is also Ukrainian according to your propaganda? I've heard you claim that about Sikorski and Koralev. It's funny.

>>25541368 >NOOOOO you can't be like you are >you HAVE to be like us >unless you are like we are, then you are worthless and deserve destruction

>>25541402 Your only contribution to anything is shchi.

>>25541364 I'm pretty sure he never thought Putin would just surrender. He worked out a deal with Putin and Zelensky doesn't want to accept it. Zelensky has yet to realize that he has 0 leverage.

>>25541387 Europe is a cultural/ethnic/geographic entity, depending on a context of a discussion. We are European by all metrics(Europe ends with Ural mountains), Ukraine is European only by it's geographic location and ethnic association.

>>25541412 Schi is better than borschtchz(which is also ours, we had many threads about it already)

>>25541441 >Europe ends with Ural mountains

>>25541387 Europe is not a peninsula, it's a continent. The border is the Ural mountains. This is contested by nobody. There's a reason Poles claim to be in the center of it.

>>25541454 >it's a continent It's not. Eurasia is a continent, Europe is peninsula of Eurasia.

>>25541441 You are Turkposting right now >waah part of us is geographically European please accept us

>>25541450 I prefer the Ural mountains distinction. Because they actually exist, opposed to a random red line drawn in paint, which you made up 5 minutes ago.

>>25541368 >opposed to ours You're not a descendant of dvoryans, kolkhoznik. Your ancestors weren't even aware that pushkin and tolstoy existed until they learnt about them in soviet school.

>>25541415 >He worked out a deal with Putin What deal, an uncondintional surrender of ukraine? >Zelensky doesn't want to accept it. Why would he accept unconditional surrender, he doesn't need the orange man for that

>>25541340 What happened under the Biden administration might as well be a different country to Trump's America. Maybe you're the uninformed one. Zelenskys show will cost you a lot. And maybe Europe too.

>>25541402 >So Bulgakov is also Ukrainian Bulgakov as a person was Ukrainian. Bulgakov as a writer was Russian, he served Russian culture. >according to your propaganda? I am sensing butthurt? Do you imply, I, as a xoxol should ignore xoxolian propaganda in favor of Russian propaganda (people whon I hear call me subhuman since childhood)?

>>25541475 > opposed to a random red line drawn in paint Holy jeez...

>>25541441 >Europe ends with Ural mountains That's a relatively modern definition that didn't exist until 18th century. Before that Europe ended at Don river and that's not really far from truth.

>>25541483 Because he cannot continue the war without the support of orange man. It's obviously not an unconditional surrender.

>>25541482 https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia

>>25541493 What the fuck are you about, trump spewed some kc tier propaganda straight from kremlin, the mineral pact that was on table did not provide anything tangible anyway, it would not have ended the war even if it was signed

>>25541471 You think we are asking for your acceptance? Delusional. You got told we are Europeans and you'll have to deal with it, do you like it or not.

>>25541475 what is a peninsular then? made up term?

>>25541508 Trump's "peace" has always been giving in to russian demands, that's what he has trying recently to make zelensky accept the so called "deal" Russian economy is size of italy, europe can easily fill the gap left by the US

>>25541522 Yes, Eurasia is a thing. So is Europe. They are not the same. Are you brain damaged?

>>25541402 One thing for sure: bulgakov, sikorsky and korolev weren't soviet kolkhozniks who learnt about russian "high" culture in soviet school.

>>25541476 >You're not a descendant of dvoryans Are you? Show me your family tree

>>25541514 It would have been the first step of peace negotiations. Zelensky should have watched this video 100 times.

>>25541515 Shut up, Mehmet. Eat a Börek.

>>25541415 >Zelensky doesn't want to accept it. Zelenski doesn't want to accept the disappearance of Ukraine from the political world map, Trump is trying to enforce. >Zelensky has yet to realize that he has 0 leverage. It was clearly visible that he understands that from the Oval Office footage.

>>25541532 Europe is an penisusla of Eurasia. Just like arabian peninsula or Indian peninsula

>>25541540 I am not and I don't pretend that culture of decadent dvoryane is mine.

>>25541531 Well, Europe can try, but 50% of the contributions came from the US and probably even more if you count weapons rather than money. Europe doesn't even have enough of a military to defend itself.

>>25541449 >borschtchz(which is also ours as I say, cultural robbery

>>25541556 Thank you for confirming that Ukrainians indeed cannot read, not even the first sentence of a wikipedia article written in simple English.

>>25541543 Trump was trying to divide ukraine between usa and russia, that's just as much peace negotiation as molotov-ribbentrop was

>>25541554 You were never on the political world map lmao. What is it with eastern Europeans and delusions of grandeur?

>>25541515 <80 years ago: united Europe goes start an offensive against your people, destroying almost a third of your population >also debil(you): WE WUZ PART OF EUROPE You are such a moron, it's just unreal

>>25541496 learn geography, dude

>>25541572 So India and Arabia are different continents?

>>25541558 >I am not Then why the fuck are you even using this argument? >you're not an aristocrat therefore you're not allowed to think in national terms and talk about national legacy By your own logic you're supposed to shut up and be silent as well.

>>25541600 If you could read, you could open their wikipedia articles and see that they're both part of Asia.

>>25541591 I can post different map

>>25541565 Europeans have been ramping up production for a few years now, this is the final nail in the coffin to realize that america cannot be trusted anymore regarding to european security, europeans have to defend their countries together now Whether the ramping up and aid to ukraine can realize soon enough is the question, but the political will to make it happen seems to be there more than ever

>>25541610 >they're both part of Asia Just like Europe is part of Eurasia

>>25541617 Yes. Europe and Asia are parts of Eurasia. They're divided by the Ural mountains.

>>25541635 >They're divided by the Ural mountains. Europe is an peninsula, it has no clear borders

>>25541611 this not a physical map of europe

>>25541269 you are right to do so you have no time for reading, you should work to pay out the ww2 loser contribution

>>25541613 >america cannot be trusted anymore regarding to european security america has repeatedly told europe to take care of its own security itself

>>25541393 >you have donkeys we have everything

>>25541138 Eurocucks have their head jammed so far up their ass they won't listen to reason, they're too wound up with the morality of it all

>>25541613 Sort of, but actually the European economy is in freefall and we have no competent leaders. It would be nice if Europe could become independent from Americans and Israel and stop worrying about non-countries like Ukraine, but I don't see that happening soon.

>>25541652 Yeah, just another meme map you like so much

>>25541673 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Europe just learn the fucking geography, bro

>>25541678 Lean what peninsula is, bro

>>25541604 My logic is that you shouldn't appropriate things that belong to a social group non-existing one, btw you have no relation to. >national legacy To have one you have to belong to a nation and you don't belong to any.

>>25541154 Europeans probably shouldn't try rhetorical tactics (condescension) that are popular with libs if they want to make any headway with this administration

>>25541670 Follow the zeitgeist, all countries in europe have waken up since yesterday, the will is absolutely there now, the question whether there is time, money won't be a problem

>>25541690 i know what peninsula is, bro, Europe ends at Urals tho btw, did you know, the Volga is the longest river in Europe?

>>25541669 > they won't listen to reason they would, but they currently witnessing the crash of the project USSR, their ultimate attempt to subvert the Gendarme of Europe and turn it into a gas station masquerading as a country it's not easy to cut losses on 213 years of trickery and ultimately, cut losses on the crash of the United States of Europe project (historical term, that appeared before USoNA turned into USA), that can't survive without Russia being the gas station

>>25541690 > muh gender penisula

>>25541699 Okay. Don't forget to take your pills.

>>25541657 False, trump has made remarks about it previously, but he has also made remarks about annexing greenland and accusing EU to be anti-american alliance

>>25541727 I have seen nothing but braindead remarks from our politicians. Getting angry at Trump (again) is far from "waking up".

>>25541743 It was not just Trump

>>25541690 Oh wow, even Scandinavia isn't part of Europe. The things you learn in Ukrainian geography lessons.

>>25541751 Who else?

>>25541765 I'll believe it when I see them achieve literally anything.

>>25541774 It will happen now or never, it's do or die situation for europe, it's funny how people start getting shit done when faced with an existential threat, you also have to understand human psychology here

>>25541773 From a fucking google search: https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/obama-nato-pay-fair-share-231405 https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/04/20080402-2.html

That was pretty embarrassing. That vance guy is like a toddler.

>>25541657 It would be a win-win situation for everyone. You get your fat fingers out of our affairs and we stop wasting your precious tax dollars.

>>25541803 That's a fact, but is it wise to rock the boat in the worst possible time, just in eve of possible WW3 by abandoning all western democracies and allying with russia/north korea/possibly china?

>>25541803 I mean the message got through loud and clear now, america practically left NATO and switched sides, it's true that europe has now start paying for their own security The question is, is it beneficial for america now somehow? Russia/china/north-korea spend more in their army that's true, but what america gains from it?

Here's my take. - Zelensky is invited to the white house to sign the mineral deal. That's it. - zelensky does what he always does and asks for more. He wants security guarantees from the US. This wasn't a part of the deal, but its what Zelensky does. Fair enough - Trump doesn't like Zelensky already and vice versa. This much is obvious to the world - Zelensky (((reportedly))) brings an envelope of pictures of dead soldiers and families to show to the american delegate (maybe including Trump? I'm not sure) to drive his point home. Its shit like this.. - Zelensky talks for days (((reportedly))) about how evil Putin is, how USA should be openly on Ukraines side during negotiations, which Trump feels he can't do if he's to negotiate with Putin effectively. I'm quite sure they have hashed this out already well before the conference - press conference starts, trump is answering questions to reporters about why he isn't openly disparaging Putin saying "I can't just talk shit about the guy and then ask for a peace deal" making it obvious he's going to be diplomatic about Russia for the purposes of peace - When everybody is supposed to be mugging for the cameras and smiling, Zelensky starts asking Vance about how a cease fire even works because nobody will enforce it. Its a fair question, but totally the wrong time to bring it up - Vance snaps back and Trump gets in the middle to protect Vance and because you know Trump can't stand to be shown up - Zelensky starts acting a bit of a brat in return and literally says "suka blyat" under his breath when Vance is talking. Basically being a bit of a cunt - stupid shit is said by trump and vance about "saying thank you" which zelensky says he did say but he only said thank you about the invitation. Vance and Trump want "thank you" for 100+ billion dollars. - Press conference ends, the White House does not invite Zelensky to the lunch that was already planned and catered. In fact I think the idea was they more or less asked him to leave, but maybe not directly The takeaways: Zelensky to the Trump admin looks like an ingrate actively trying to sabotage peace talks by constantly expecting Trump to take sides and disparage Putin, all while adding conditions after the fact of signing the mineral deal Zelensky to the NAFO looks like he stood up for himself and was being bullied by Vance and Trump who weren't saying "le Russia evil" on tv for the world to see.

>>25541853 I dont see why zelensky should sign anything if he is not getting things in return

>>25541853 Zelensky knew that the mineral deal was worth of nothing, just like he asked "what does this guarantee", that's why he had nothing to lose to sperg out facts how russia in fact invaded ukraine (a fact trump has somehow difficulties to digest) All in all, nothing of value was lost, trump was demonstrated to be a clown in front of other western democracies

>>25541883 Because the alternative is losing support from USA and getting rolled over by Russia.

>>25541906 Support from usa is already lost, trump made it quite clear that one way or another but usa is out

>>25540785 Pisskraine project ran out of its use. It is time to drop it.

>>25541906 So we are in "lost support" timeline now in your opinion? Are you willing to eat a hat full of shit if that actually happens? Because I think half of americans would have minor difficulties to digest an alliance with russia/china/north korea

>>25541919 No, Trump only made it clear that he will not support the war. He would support peace.

>>25541883 He doesn't have any leverage to bargain. He has no other choice than to sign the piss deal, and better sooner than later.

>>25541926 Cutting off Ukraine is not the same as allying with Russia.

>>25541843 What was the benefit to USA for subsidizing European defense?

>>25541935 Thats the same thing

>>25541950 Political and military influence over Europe and all up to the borders of Russia.

>>25541950 Usa had final say in european affairs since it was the force that provided security framework, why do you think eu is usas biggest trade partner, by accident?

>>25541956 And what does the political and military influence actually mean? Is it like streamer influencer where simps will donate money?

>>25541938 Low iq take, if ukraine has no leverage, why the war is still going on? Why are ukrainians still occupying kursk? Why are european countries still sending money and weapons to ukraine? What leverage does putin have? Overheated war economy? Multiple times more body bags than all post-ww2 wars combined? All equipment produced by ussr in burning wrecks? All military brigades manned by professional soldiers replaced by criminals? The great military alliance with north korea? What else?

>>25541958 If we have final say why is there pushback on Ukrainian peace?

>>25541894 If he didn't want to sign it, then he shouldn't have shown up and wasted everyone's time. That makes him look even worse. He just showed up to protest in front of the cameras then? The point of the invite and Zelensky knew it, was not to renegotiate the deal in the press conference.

>>25541959 Yes, we're paying for your bullshit like this war and ruining our economy in the process.

>>25541950 A plenty but you're just too dumb to understand, but for the argument's sake we can say that "none" Now europe spends more in defense, america left nato, allied with russia, what benefit does this bring to america now?

>>25541853 Ukrainians are like really uppity thirdies, pale-skinned negroes that want gibes, always with this behavior and the lying that follows

>>25541962 Because usa now wants to dismantle that framework, thinking that they dont have to work to maintain hegemony, idiot vance said as much

>>25541961 >why the war is still going on? Until today Ukraine was receiving money and weapons from the US.

>>25541963 I think he was talked into this by macron

>>25541959 >And what does the political and military influence actually mean? How to say you're dumb without saying it Do you have a college degree? If not, then just shut the fuck up, you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed obviously, why do you try to understand topics that are way above your paygrade

>>25541970 Great, then you can keep paying for the war yourselves, nothing has changed in that case. >>25541971 Prioritization of Pacific >>25541978 So we don't have final say.

>>25541981 There are some that say Susan Rice was in on this talking him into misbehaving. There may have been American NAFO influence and not just Macron.

>>25541113 >- Trump: No, we need a ceasefire first and mineral guarantees, so the USA has an economic reason to be involved. Literally this. I'm surprised people didn't get it. One of the reporters even said something about the mining operations being to close to the frontline.

>>25541980 Fact check: Half of the support came from europe Europe has capability to ramp up the support, just the political will hasn't been there

>>25541988 >Prioritization of Pacific Are you going to invade Taiwan together with your newfound allies from china, russia and north-korea?

>>25542001 Yes

>>25541961 As soon as Americans stop suplying Ze with weapons and intellegence data, the war will end. It will be on our terms(which is not favourable for Ukraine) but at least many lives will be saved. The ww2 was lost not when Hitler shot himself and not with the flag over Reichstag, but after the Stalingrad battle. All else was just a delay of the inevitable.

>>25542006 And you are happy about abandoning the charters of freedom, joining the axis of dictatorships now? All this because europeans paid 1% of gdp in their defense instead 2%? The art of deal indeed

I'm out.

>>25542019 >muh political alignment Peace through political alignment is one of the sickest ideas in history

>>25542019 God, I wish

>>25542020 If you add up those european columns, it becomes just as much as USA, (I think most european countries have contributed more per gdp than USA but don't quote me on that) So what was your point?

>>25542020 Don't let the door hit you on the way out

>>25541962 Probably because it's the Bidet administration that has all the European politicians in its pockets.

>>25542019 Zelensky is literally some 3rd league player who thinks he can negotiate in the Champions League. Embarrassing. Have you wondered why he had that emergency interview on Fox? And European leaders are probably telling him to damage control right now.

>>25542022 But america just aligned itself with dictatorships, drawing a new world order where imperialism is again on the table It seems like you are somehow confused about the situation

Trump destroying all relationships with previous vasal-states for some tax-money savings(the vasal states he can not ever get back) was it worth it?

>>25542027 >contributed more per gdp Lol, they should tell Zelensky that when he asks for money.

>>25542025 Have you visited russia, china or north korea? I know americans don't know much about foreign countries but this is ridiculous

>>25542042 USA always had good relations/sucked up to Saudi Arabia. They are very far from democracy and free speech. You are the one confused.

>>25542038 What are you babbling about? Give me one example which was out of line from zelensky, I already have given multiple examples how trump acted like a child throwing a tantrum

>>25542054 So because you buy saudi oil, and europeans contribute 1% instead of 2%, it's only reasonable to ally with russia, china and north korea? That's your take on the situation

>>25542049 What's your point?

>>25542043 He doesn't save money, american defense spending won't decrease if european increases American economy might in fact shrink if europeans stop buying american weapons and start producing themselves instead

>>25542079 I'm sure he will be happy to hear how hard we're trying and the gdp percentage will help him more than cash.

>>25542042 >But america just aligned itself with dictatorships, drawing a new world order where imperialism is again on the table > What a childish reading of the table. Trump threatens China with tariffs constantly. >hurr durr if he disagrees with Zelensky he's already moving Mar-A-Lago to Moscow You're too emotional for geopolitics like Zelensky >>25542066 >>25541138

>>25542074 Explain to me again what the USA receives in return for subsidizing European defense? I haven't said anything else in regards to alliances.

>>25542088 The argument was: america pays everything, europe does not pay anything The statistics show that europe has provided total around the same amount as america Americans have used the gdp as the argument that europeans don't spend enough gdp for NATO, but now as europeans have spent more than america by gdp to ukraine, suddenly the gdp screeching is not suitable anymore

>>25542096 How is america subsidizing european defense? European countries past few years have increased their spending, has american spending decreased by the same amount? Maybe it's not zero sum game at all, have you considered that?

>>25542130 Then europe can defend itself without American support, and I fail to see the issue with the USA withdrawing from Ukraine.

>>25542115 Trump whining about gdp spending and actual contributions that keep the war going are two different things. You made it sound like we can defeat Russia because we're spending a higher percentage of our gdp.

>>25542093 You are a midwit if you don't think this is a historical event on par with USSR collapse, the geopolitical alliances are being reshuffled but you don't realize it until it has happened and everything has become stable again and only then you can say "oh that's what was happening ten years ago"

>>25542027 It means we're out, petpole. I'm leaving Europe in your hands >>25542030, you ingrates should (and apparently can) defend yourselves now.

>>25542115 >muh statistics. lmao You seem to misunderstand those statistics, yeah, in theory they've sent just as much, more even. But that aid come in many forms, and like it or not the USA is the one sending them actual useful stuff. What good is $1 billion worth of low grade medical supplies.

>>25542143 Yes you have said it multiple times "I fail to see, I don't understand", but the reality is, that just because you don't understand, doesn't mean nobody else does either

>>25542162 The take away is America has been spending billions maybe trillions on completely retarded shit including jobs for Redditors to do nothing all day

>>25542168 I dunno man. I just wanna shit talk yurop.

Nothing gets under skin of egomaniacs like trump more than taking away power from them.

>>25542170 I didn't even read your post I just wanted to say something

>>25542163 Great, then there's no issue at all. Europe can continue supporting Ukraine by herself if she wishes.

>>25542175 hell yeah

>>25542157 That's what I have been saying, you are out, this swiss still hasn't gotten it >>25542093 Also what I am saying that it's a huge mistake to abandon west and start somekind of pseudo-dictatorship and new kind of imperalism where you get greenland, china gets taiwan, russia gets ukraine Are you prepared to take a plunge into world war 3 just because of that?

>>25542162 Imagine if Elon just turns off starlink for Ukrainians. Wtf are they gonna do?

>>25541301 Because it is retarded gay union and dies not represent Europe.

>>25542155 >>25542184 You're doing the same as Zelensky now. Getting personal and butthurt. Sorry he will be forgotten in a few years. No unexpected shifts are happening. Trump ran on these promises, always said the Dems made up all the Russian hoax bullshit. Now it has occurred to people like you too.

>>25542020 I think I personally and unwillingly paid $3700+ to holhols just so they can call me incel on KC. I'm going to be sick

>>25542198 I think aesthetically Zelensky kind of sucks. He should be ~6'0 and 200+ lbs

>>25542198 >No unexpected shifts are happening. Everyone else around the globe disagrees, even the americans in this very thread are celebrating their new alliance with china, russia and north korea >Dems made up all the Russian hoax bullshit Trump has demonstrated putin is his new best friend now, after standing 70 year long cold war with europea against soviet union, this kind of switcheroo would be unthinkable, but you somehow still don't get it

>>25542020 Germany's like a gay familiar to America with 20% of the power who just does the same shit and isn't cute. I prefer Taiwan or Phillipines to be our familiar

>>25542221 > the americans in this very thread are celebrating their new alliance with china, russia and north korea Meds

>>25541450 >pigdogs shows its knowledge of geography LMAO

>>25542223 Taiwan please

>>25542184 >start somekind of pseudo-dictatorship and new kind of imperalism where you get greenland, china gets taiwan, russia gets ukraine Hard times create strong men >plunge into world war 3 All the major powers powers seem satisfied with this scenario, why would we need to fight? Don't tell me you think Europe has a say in anything... huehuehue

>>25542205 3700 is nothing to be honest, I thought americans are rich and always calling us europoors Maybe you are just dumb (hence your low iq takes on the political affairs) and your low iq also explains your poorness (nobody wants to pay you for thinking)

>>25542221 The people who think shifts are happening were never relevant and have been on a gibes binge since end of WW2

Zelensky flew to UK and got 2.6 billion pounds after trumps spergout. lmao

>>25542027 Germany alone with its Eu contributions is half of the US.

>>25542249 Trump is wrong, EU should pay more than double what USA has paid since it’s your faggot ass problem

>>25541556 >pigdog continues to embarrass itself with its geographical “knowledge” Kek

First and foremost I think Europeans are really gay and corny. They have become gayer and cornier in the past 10 years. Their only cultural exports are from Sweden and they are fringe. Otherwise Europe is terra incognita baby America with no identity

>>25542275 America is european export

>>25542236 So everyone else except america? This thread really demonstrates how fucking dumb some people can be, you all are constantly contradicting each other, saying something then the same poster contradicts his previous post, all because you are so dumb that you cannot form a coherent narrative of the current situation

>>25541567 To talk about culture you beed to have one to begin with. Swines like you lack it.

>>25542283 t. member of gypsie culture

>>25542279 Always makes me smile to see a non-country act like they had a hand in forming any of the colonies

>>25542279 America is like if you dropped all the epic european guys off an island and left the gay guys to fester in europe

>>25542291 yet all the gay shit and degenerate jewism comes from America and is forced on world by americans.

>>25542291 That’s basically what it was, all the inbred aristocracy and poorfags stayed in Europe, most British who left for America were middle class

>>25542289 Pennsylvania is lithuanian clay

>>25542235 You are very butthurt now, lol Would have much rather done better things with that money

>>25542262 >since it’s your faggot ass problem See, this is wrong as well, it's very well in american interests to have stable europe Unless you want the ww3 and divide some clay again with russia and china, which you seem to want, but does your dumb ass understand that it will cost you much more than your current defense spending? Russians are currently eating buckwheat because they prioritize getting some piece of muh land, americans itt are happy to do the same it seems?

>>25542296 Well, that came from Jews!

>>25542296 But I do sincerely apologize for this

>>25542298 Pennsylvania is literally named after an English Quaker, Shithuania had zero impact

>>25542303 Americans are the best lapdogs for jews., working hard to spread it all and make jews stronger. literally every nook and crany of earth is now infested thanks to people like you

>>25542302 Shut the fuck up bitch go pull a double shift and fucking pay

>>25542313 Bruhs in a commieblock with peeling walls talking about "jews" like they are ghouls in his brain

>>25542302 >it's very well in american interests to have stable europe No, it's not. You've been very rude and ungrateful to me ITT.

>>25542317 >double shift That's American culture.

>>25542287 Baltshits from fake shitholes don‘t have culture either.

>>25542319 lmao you cant deny what i told you so you invented some shit. i live in my own homestead and never lived in apartement apart from study years

>>25542326 It’s going to be European culture soon too now that we are done subsidizing you

>>25542329 Did you say thank you for that?

>>25542329 >>25542340 Unironically your country was liberated by Soviet mind torture by America. You can at least thank us instead of developing new hallucinations about the Jews and American conspiracy

>>25542317 >double shift Lmao, how to tell you are poor without telling you're poor (and dumb as well) What if I told you that I get paid from thinking, I can do thinking where ever I want, nobody asks me how much I have thought on that specific day, I don't need to do "double shifts" on thinking Now that we have established that you are dumb and poor, why do you assume you have some great wisdom to contribute on this topic?

American has always been the good guys. Its fucking retarded not to see through it. Don't surrender yourself to Islamic/Commie agitprop lmao. Fuck Russia/Sandniggers

>>25542361 Russia is our fren now. Be nice.

>>25542355 You should continue to use that line of argument with Americans

>>25542321 So you are willing to eat buckwheat so that trump can have greenland? What does greenland benefit you personally?

>>25542355 Cringy Scheißpolacke. I may team up with Russians to beat the crap out of you now

>>25542368 Does it not benefit us? America should have everything. Why would an American think that America shouldn't have shit?

>>25542371 If you're going to invade poland as well don't forget the buckwheat

>>25542368 Why would any American be beating buckwheat after greenland? We have the BEST meat and dairy in the WORLD. Pretty sure we can just give everyone in Greenland a million dollars to buy them off.

>>25542382 eating*

Oh no the benevolent democratic America owns the world instead of the theocratic Islamic invaders or Soviet Russians or Chinky retards. That would be so bad

>>25542382 >Pretty sure we can just give everyone in Greenland a million dollars to buy them off. What the hell is drumpf waiting for. Now that Ukraine aid as been cut off it should be reallocated to this purpose

>>25542378 >>25542382 I remember this kind of hubris from russians when they invaded crimea, I told they will die soon, and their country will fall apart soon See where we have arrived, some of them have probably died on the front, most of them live poorly now since their currency has tanked, some of them have escaped to some fucking tadzikiztan bumfuck living in a tent avoiding draft, russia has became a complete pariah state and there's only path to complete isolationism like north korea now, only a matter of time until everything collapses like ussr did That's how right I was in my prediction 10 years ago, you are now doing the rooster thing in current year and I am telling you about the future

America is literally all the European bydlo that were desperate enough to leave their home and all possessions behind in hopes for a better life. The lowest of the low.

>>25542401 Okay read your first sentence and America has 6x the GDP of Russia and dominates the world in culture and in every aspect. Next.

>>25542401 +0.02euros

>>25542401 how much did this thought cost? or did you do it for free?

>>25542408 also all the mentally ill and religious nutcase sects left Europe for US. In Europe they were regulated and couldnt do spergouts, US gave them all freedoms to do it

>>25542408 Also this unironically happened 350+ years ago and it was the people willing to sail off across the ocean to a landmass they knew 1% about. The real adventurers aka the alphas you believe in themselves and their abilities. People remaining in Europe are weird cucks. In 2025 they are worthless people. Even bug Koreans have built more cultural capital than even the British. They are a decaying continent and Trump knows this.

>>25542431 which blogger told you that? andrew tate?

>>25542409 "Russia has the largest landmass and largest resources on earth, produces 10000x times of oil than everyone else and has the second largest army and largest nuclear stockpile" I have heard this before, that's how it always starts, it's like a nigger with a gold chain on its neck is completely oblivious of the consequences of his stupid actions will eventually backfire

>>25542431 >happened 350+ years ago The genetics remained the same as we can see. Well, also mixed with niggers now.