They shouldn't have elected a clown. Trump is easy to manipulate

It was rigged from the start, Putin and Trump are lovers just like Hitler and Mussolini

He is the smartest guy CIA managed to recruit in Borderlands.

I feel sorry for Zelensky, he is not a politician, he is a comedian, he has been thrown into the deep end in a world that he didn;t grow up in.

>>25532656 Their mistake is electing a BAD clown

Who could be whom in their prime, scrap wise? I know a lot guys with Zelensky's type and even though manlet, they fight in a vicous style. I could see him lunging for Trump quickly and getting in a few shots before pulling his shirt and coat up from the back, then getting in some hockey blows. I don't think Trump would put up too much of a fight. He really looks like someone who has never thrown a punch.

>>25532678 Jews are supposed to be these super abrasive bazaar merchants. What the fuck Zelensky? Don\t tell me it's because he can't speak English natively, bullshit.

>>25532668 That's a misuse of the meme, it's for couples where inclining suggests affinity Someone bending towards someone else if anything suggests aggression

He should go rogue now and order Azov to carry out terrorist attacks against Americans

>>25532645 >Is he retarded? No,...just disrespectful. He has a lot to learn about the art of diplomacy

>>25532690 *beat, not be and for the record, I'm pro-Russia, I just think Zelnsky could beat Trump's ass, even young Trump

>>25532701 Zelensky is bad but it's not like Trump is a great diplomat either.

>>25532701 this is why i would never make a good head of state

>>25532720 All Trump has to do is not be a whiny bitch, but that's too much of a sacrifice for peace

make me the President of Ukraine I will defeat Russia and make Putin apologize just trust me, it is possible

*trumpograd

>>25532720 >>25532745 Trump has all the cards like he himself said, that's the difference. Zelensky should have been pragmatic.

>>25532645 >All he had to do was flatter Trump. Doesn't matter. It was a trap.

He tried.

>>25532759 But if Trump doesnt provide protection if Russia attacks again why would Ukraine sign the deal? They are on the same state anyways.

the chutzpah of this little dude

>>25532833 No one will give Ukraine real protection. As best there will be time limited proctection, 10 years or so. You won't see them join Nato or a defense pact or western troops.

https://www.wsj.com/video/watch-trump-calls-zelensky-disrespectful-in-heated-oval-office-exchange/776DCFA3-C04D-4F9A-9347-A662040F2FD1?mod=world_videos_pos1 trump shouts at the mad dog of kiev EITHER WE MAKE A DEAL OR YOU ARE OUT

>>25532863 i think he said *we

Trump is a clown

He got butthurt over the "you don't hold very good cards" comment because he is ESL. Even got butthurt about the comment on his clothes, although Trump backed him there. Foolish Zelenski.

I'm Albanian btw.

Don get it

It's over aint it

>>25532883 I'm an ESL and I don't get what he didn't get about holding cards. Explain pls.

>>25532919 Why did you save this expression? Everyone knows what that means.

>>25532920 Zoomer gtfo

>>25532932 Better be safe than sorry

>>25532645 Why do pigs have such a hard time adjusting to new environments?

What are the odds of zelensky not leaving the US alive ?

>>25532960 100%

>>25532929 He snapped "I'm not playing games, this is serious". A strange answer and very likely because he must have not understood this idiom. It has nothing to do with playing games in this context.

>>25532977 Thanks you're right.

Yeah Trump is Trump but Zelensky is so fuckin retarded it’s unbelievable. Is he really that stupid or does he actually a russian agent?

Big W for the Zman imo. He didnt put up with the shit they were spouting and those two got so assblasted about it. Maybe they shouldnt have been so disrespectful to put him on the spot like that and then get butthurt talking about muh respect when their dumb stances are called out. Their attempt to pile up on him failed. He showed character.

>>25532852 Then why would he give away minerals? He can make a deal with putin and just hope they don't get attacked again

>>25533060 I think more or less this. Why would you sign a desl wherw you get nothing?

>>25533060 Why is it a win? The USA is the only one that can deliver him more weapons. No one else has any to spare.

>>25532678 a room of actors

Lol

>>25533060 He fucking lost big time. It's not a personeality battle. His ego sabotaged any hope for Ukraine's future. Trump pulls the plug and then what Zman does?

>>25533060 Hearts and minds lmaooo. It was impossible for him to win here

>>25533090 He goes down as the martyr of ukraine as it crumbles

>>25533096 Appeasement could have worked if he swallowed his ego.

>>25533090 He's still the rest of the world's golden boy so anything he does will be backed by the rest of nato. Check the headlines as to how they're sucking his cock. Anyone who's anti-trump is practically backed without question.

>>25533072 because it's a shaming ritual. they weren't going to deliver anything. humanitarian programs stopped with usaid's death and sale/supply of military equipment/ammo and weapons stopped over a week ago. no one planned to start it over. military intelligence was also stopped. the only thing that's left to be taken away is starlink that's being paid by eu.

>>25533139 >no starlink so this means no more urine posting ?

If only Ukraine still had real men in it, somebody should've shot this faggot in the head already. Where's the coup? Where's the one soldier with any sense? Why do Ukrainians like blindly dying for some faggot kike?

>>25533151 The Ukrainian men are either fighting at the front, left the country or are too old for anything.

Zelensky is not a cuck, unlike faggot Trump and Vance. It would be pure disrespect if Zelenskyy pretended Trump and Vance haven't been spreading Russian disinfo and kissed their feets. Ukraine is gonna show the world that they're gonna get peace on their terms

Ukraine should have elected that long haired svoboda mongol, Putin would take one look at him and shit his pants from genetic trauma of the golden horde

>>25533071 The piss deal was so skewed to russias interest that it was nothing short of capitulation for ukraine anyway and also entirely disrespectful of their brave struggle so far. >>25533072 >>25533090 The US wasnt the only supporter of ukraine. But this was the icing on the cake of making europe step up its game. This was a mask off moment, a bigger detriment to Trump towards his allies than anything. >>25533090 Imo this was on Trump and Vance. They wanted to make im look bitchmade and swallow. Maybe it was their tactic to agravate him to justify dropping any support for Ukraine to the american populous.

>>25533151 Come here and make a coup lazy ass nigger Oh, I forgot you are a pussy like your president and have zero influence on Ukraine

>>25533139 Probably this. I still havent quite figured out where this deeprooted rejection of Ukraines struggle comes from that is so present in right wing Americans. But making it all fail was probably the plan all along, now they get to blame someone for it though.

>>25532941 I can't respect a head of state that refuse to use a suit Even the most gorilla nigger brazilian senators are capable of wearing suit and a tie, what the fuck this guy think he is wearing this dumb clothes?

>>25533060 The thing I think is ridiculous is Vance talking about shit he's watched on Twitter/X as if the FSB doesn't post info there too. I think the huge problem is Trump and Vance can't rely on their corrupt intel sector until it's been purged so they are going into this blind and Zelensky is frustrated because how the fuck do you argue with a retard like that?

>>25533329 They're in war. I guess he wants to show his people. It doesn't matter anyway you have Arabs in their traditional clothing etc.

>>25533146 WE ARE SO FUCKING BACK BROS

The whole thing was obviously staged, Trump never had any serious interest in making a deal with Ukraine.

>>25533329 Do you respect Elon Musk and this guy though?

>>25533358 He should show some self respect for the position he is currently on A president should always wear a suit on formal occasions. These stupid pajamas are fooling no one

>>25533239 It's internal politics. Opposing faggots like John Bolton who are spouting anti Russian shit because he wants his arms sector and Haliburton/Carlisle group stocks to go up, and also the huge amount of Russian propaganda about how based and trad Russia is when actually Ukraine is more homogenous, has thriving nationalist movements and far less muslims and stronger traditional/rural culture. It takes a balanced and nuanced outlook to understand yes Russians are awesome but no you don't have to suckle the slav peen.

>>25533060 >>25533139 >>25533239 Even if you fought very bravely you can't act retarded and lecturing towards the superpower's representatives. It was very stupid by Zelensky. Macron is a much more powerful leader and he interjected against Trump once, in a smart way. Zelensky can't control his emotions.

>>25533083 kek

>>25533365 Trump wanted a deal without giving any safeguard for Ukraine.

>>25532645 >Is he retarded? Short answer - yes

why is not the whole world outraged at how bad americans want to steal ukrainian minerals?

>>25533329 THE SUIT

>>25533406 How is Selenski viewed by the Ukrainian polulation inside the country? We hear nothing about that.

>>25533377 Elon is another wanna be teenager with that blazer n jeans he is always wearing, he looks like a fool. And go fucking yourself, Zelensky, Trump and Vanced cock blocked you live on TV for the whole world to see, your wife will now see you as a cuck because of this, it's over for you

Odds on Zelensky's plane getting hit by a "Russian" *wink wink* missile as it enters Ukrainian airspace? Ukraine rids itself of a liability, and also gets a liberal martyr to parade around European capitals for gibs.

What was the saying in Russian prisons? "Fork in the eye or up the ass"? That's basically the question that was posed to Zelensky.

>>25533060 >Maybe they shouldnt have been so disrespectful to put him on the spot like that and then get butthurt talking about muh respect when their dumb stances are called out. Jipp. I'm not the biggest fan of Z-Man myself, but this was a wartime leader vs some crybullies that don't want to admit that they made a poopoo in their pants, and get all abusive at whoever points out, that it smells like crap.

>>25533430 Seethe American whore.

>>25533395 Was he just supposed to talk it like a bitch so Trump could play out his deal that is a giant insult to ukraine? Ukraine needs to pull out of Kursk and gets to pay in ressources for it?

>>25533426 Now everybody says he's so based. America wouldn't give shit anyway So why worry?

>>25533449 You simply don't get it.

>>25533436 Did you not watch the meeting? Zelensky started lecturing Vance in the most condescending manner possible after Vance made an innocuous remark backing up Trump. Was completely unwarranted and extremely stupid. If the future of my nation depended on placating my biggest supporter, I would sit there, grinning and bearing it. Snapping like he did, and in front of the American press, was supremely idiotic.

>>25533214 >But this was the icing on the cake of making europe step up its game Do you also still believe in Santa? Gayrope did not step up during the past three years. Simply because they can't. They're too dysfunctional.

>>25533458 I'm Albanian.

>>25533449 They will fight till the last ukrainian, when all the mobiniks die they will constrict the babushkas

>>25533365 >Trump never had any serious interest in making a deal with Ukraine As opposed to Zelensky having any serious interest in making a deal with the WINNING SIDE? Zelensky is a fucking child and should be shot.

>>25533501 >Selenski the Jew will send all Ukrainian men to die at the frontline Internal unrest when?

>>25533466 That's because Zelensky is not a politician.

>>25533443 I don't make the rules, man, once your girl sees you being pegged by another man she will never see you as man again Is how the world works

>>25533511 Why did the winning side slow down so much all of a sudden?

>>25533523 > Winston Churchill was pegged because monkey from Brazil said so

>>25533525 The winning side is continuing to take your clay and push you out of the few yards of clay you took and couldn't push months ago. You lost. You lost so hard. Ukraine's dead. How embarrassing!

>>25533516 There will be no one to take him out because their will be no ukranians left It's so over

>>25533525 Russia will take what they have now and there's nothing that can or will prevent it. Nothing. The only question is how many more Ukrainian men will have to die.

He was bound to fail the moment he accepted being an American puppet leader to fight a years long war he cant uphold for a day with the means a post soviet corruption wasteland has to offer. Building a conflifct upon 98% foreign resources means you either have some super special position up your sleeve to make everyone your bitch or you have to sincerely hopes that no one has a hickup and no one has underyling actual motives going on that could potentially wreck your shit. Ukrainians looked at the fucking cucked EU and their American masters, a group of loosely organized federal states who cant stop infighting and fucking each other over for a week, half of them alligned to russia, and the nation of backstabbing madmen on the constant verge of civil war, none of the above being able to hold a stable government for more than a few years for the last decades and they thought "Man blyadsko, these guyskos will surely be the right choisko here Yurii". Time to become the next Afghanistan lads, well deserved.

>>25533556 Big if true

>>25533487 the numbers speak a different story. trump is a retard that doesnt even know the timeline of this conflict. >2015? and was also checked by macron when talking shit for his american bydlos. a defined enemy and no support from usgay is excatly what europe needs.

Zelensky is literally a Black Swan in a human form. True Chaotic Neutral joker.

>>25533431 By the way, screen cap this, I guarantee he will be removed -- maybe even violently -- by end of next week.

>>25533531 Ask any Britton if they like Churchill, go on, be my guest Churchill was a jew slave just like zelensky Israel destroyed your country just like they destroyed England

>>25533466 >Zelensky started lecturing Vance in the most condescending manner possible >snapping like he did The Ukraine balls on kc do this too. I wonder which of them are Zelensky.

>>25533561 >Building a conflifct upon 98% foreign resources means you either have some super special position up your sleeve to make everyone your bitch or you have to sincerely hopes that no one has a hickup and no one has underyling actual motives going on that could potentially wreck your shit. Zelensky had 4 years to "win". It was clear that western support won't last forever. At some point the war has to stop. Zelensky could have ended it. Now he's being forced.

>>25533607 He is already in the thread, look how mad he got just because I said his big boy pajamas look lame asf

Kill putin

>>25533597 This film is dedicated to the brave conscripts fighters of ukraine

>>25533511 Kill putin

>>25533598 Is it true that monkeys actually don't eat bananas?

>>25532645 >Is he retarded? He's a hohol. They're all retarded.

>>25533466 >Did you not watch the meeting?I did >Zelensky started lecturing Vance in the most condescending manner possible after Vance made an innocuous remark backing up Trump. I think that you are full of shit because you use terms like "condescending". Z-Man pointed out, that there has been diplomacy in the past, and it failed, the last time with an all-out invasion in an attempt to take over the entire country. So it begs the question why this time should be different. Z-Man was polite and all, but engrish isn't his first language, so he needs a little time to make his point, which Trump did not allow to happen. > Was completely unwarranted and extremely stupid. Maybe, I thought that his Ego was getting in his way too, but Drumpf&Co appeared as extremely stupid nonetheless. And I'm saying that as someone who had very favorable opinions of Donald Trump since before he became president for the first time. I also had positive things to say about JD Vance, and loved his Munich speech. But even I, fanboy that I am, felt quite disgusted when I saw this shitshow playing out. >If the future of my nation depended on placating my biggest supporter, I would sit there, grinning and bearing it. Not sure if you can expect such levels of docility from some leader of a nation that is fighting an existential war for the third year now. Zelensky has sent hundredthousands of men to their death, I have no idea how many ukrainian women have been raped, how many children have been stolen, and what sacrifices everyone of them had to make. And Drumpf and his ilk talk about clothes and saying thanks and this kind of faggotry. Their pettiness was disgusting. >Snapping like he did, and in front of the American press, was supremely idiotic. Maybe his Ego got the better of him, but maybe it was just some humiliation ritual, which may be in place with the usual faggy political leaders that they encounter, but, again, not with a leader from a nation that's at war.

>>25533622 lol Imagine you leave a meeting with drumpf and the first thing you do is log into your kc plus account to phonepost about how the absolute buttdevastation the bad orange man gave you

Zelensky looked extremely tired and his english is bad.

>>25533619 Democrats would have rolled for another four years with his shit. For the fact alone that ending the war they started over their money laundering and criminal side business node in Europe would have eradicated them in the public eye.

>>25533705 Possible. Just look how many children of Democrats are involved in Ukrainian business deals. Biden would have continued to send leftover crap, but wouldn't have sent anything serious. Just let them kill each other, why does he care.

>>25533619 >Zelensky had 4 years to "win" You don't win against Russia. source: history

>>25533660 Let's quit the jokes okay Pls explain to me why you support zelensky so much? After all these young mans being forced to go into the meat grinder, after he pushed your country in a forever eternal debt, after he ashame your nation in live TV first by acting like a angry karen and seconfd by lowering his head while listening to trump and vance talk shit to him After all this you dont have a single constructive criticism toward him?

>>25533725 Well, Poland won, Japan won, Germany won Who else?

>>25533694 >>25533700 Why didn't he use a translator if he doesn't speak engrish?

>>25532678 Apparently Vance was throwing him ques to shut the fuck up but I missed it because I'm socially retarded.

>>25533767 Maybe he did not expect this kind of setup.

>>25533619 Lasting this long is a win. It's like tetris, the pieces just keep coming.

>>25533773 come on, it was clearly a trap. Trump was dying to cut all USA offshore funding, now Zelensky give to him one.

>>25532883 >He got butthurt over the "you don't hold very good cards" comment because he is ESL I think being a comedian he just felt he can't miss an opportunity to make a joke like he takes it literally.

>>25533725 I could keep going but these all happened within just 70 years so I shall stop here. If one was born in 1850 and lived to 1920, before eventual genocide under benevolent Russian economics, your country would have lost 4 major wars in a lifetime. 2 of those wars to yourselves. I didn't bother to include faraway imperial adventures in central Asia or Siberia in my count either because those aren't relevant to the average Russian.

>>25533772 Vance told him, that he should stfu and not shittalk in front of the press. I kinda don't think, that Drumpf and his people actually want bad things for ukraine, but they're in over their heads. Russian FSP probably convinced some of their family members of their bullshit, and now they are convincing them.

The worst (best) thing is that we do have room to step up our peace platform

>>25533090 I'm so glad our prez is Stubb who is a total narcissist psychopath who can play these stupid games.

>>25533785 Zelensky has sent hundredthousands of men to their death. At some point he must have said "fuck that shit". He probably did not think such degrees of pettiness are possible.

>>25533794 no one wants ukraine to dye They are the wect cannon fodder, the east legions are like dogs, they need a toy to chew

>>25533812 >Zelensky has sent hundredthousands of men to their death. He's a Jew and the soldiers goys. He doesn't think of them as humans. Slav tradition to be killed by Jews en masse.

>>25533818 >no one wants ukraine to dye Ahem.

>>25533822 maybe you should sometimes talk to some jews IRL, and find out, how they match your preconceptions.

>>25533822 The serpent bite his own tale

>>25533576 Why does Jewland get the best jew with Trump Gaza trickery and Ukraine gets the low IQ jew who can't flatter the orangutan?

>>25533837 Why? They would just lie to me.

>>25533842 because the goal is to kill as many slavs as possible

>>25533844 Well, with that mindset it's impossible to convince you that your preconceptions are wrong. They simply have no null-hypothesis.

>>25533856 It's in their fucking religion to use goys. If you don't, you're not a Jew.

>>25533778 Thats not how geopolitics work. There is no honest try price for special ed kids or quota no job for IQ 59 Shaniqua Da Chance. If you send half a million men, 300 000 with their whole life ahead of them to certain death, bulldoze half of your cities and pollute a third of the landmass with explosives, munition and toxic waste just to sell the rest to the US you better have a 4D chess esque plan ahead to play out because thats the kind of total failure history wont forget.

>>25533840 Bring us brazilian memes.

>>25532690 Didn't Trump have some wrestling related past?

OP can only think as a petuh

>>25533879 yeah chicken nugget wrestling

>>25533862 >total failure history wont forget Err...no. History likes to forget total failure very much. Like the first Ukrainian Republic. Compared to that dismal performance this Ukrainian Republic is doing an outstanding job.

>>25533872 >latuff

>>25533860 There are many nonreligious jews that have no religion. You know, atheists whose parents are jewish. Also, I personally have received help from a jewish lawyer for free, when I needed it and had no money to pay. Also, a friend of mine is a joo, and I've known him for a long time. I never got the impression, that he sees myself or nonjoos in general as cattle.

>>25533090 It was a really high level challenge though. Very few people can backseat their ego to the point where they can suck cock on camera.

>>25533920 I can't belive newfags still think we are joking ablut jews feeling sexual pleasure in jewing non jews

>>25533955 some != all

>>25533920 >Also, I personally have received help from a jewish lawyer for free, when I needed it and had no money to pay oh judeostatanic you never know where to set the bar in your constant lying

>>25533842 Come on man, any Jew not smart enough to leave Eastern Europe for Israel when the USSR imploded is clearly one of the retarded ones.

In all honesty, my main problem with Z-Man is, that he's a politician. I despise politicians. However, he's from a part of the world where governments don't have the ability to print endless money and export their inflation, so their governments are much more constrained and far less cancerous, than they would be in the west, so I might be willing to give at least some of them the benefit of the doubt.

>>25533965 I feel so sorry for you, I didn't want this for you but it seems you will need to learn by the hard way, I hope they just scam you, I dont want you to suffer

>>25534002 >However, he's from a part of the world where governments don't have the ability to print endless money and export their inflation, so their governments are much more constrained and far less cancerous LOL Selinksi had robbed over 100 million so far.

>>25534020 proofs?

>>25534029 What kind of moron are you that you would expect proofs?

>>25534020 Braindead retard

>>25534076 Admit he fucked up.

>>25534091 He is being worshiped here right now.

>>25534049 I would be the kind of moron that has seen smear-campaigns and slander in the past, and has noticed that a lot of that kind of talk comes from russians that are using disinformation and lies as a means to promote their wartime-goals. I personally wouldn't wonder, because I think that pretty much all politicians are petty, greedy, corrupt, and incompetent. But I doubt, that Z-Man is so much worse than the alternatives, that it would make sense to replace him with someone else, and open oneself up to all the problems that such a powerstruggle would allow to happen, just so that the next in line also gets smeared for another set up made up bullshit.

Here is how you negotiate with trump: "give nuke we build statue in gold 100 meter tall

>>25534101 soon every remaing ukranian will get a belt like this and sent to the front, UKRAINE ACKBARRRR

>>25534115 It's literally this easy.

>>25534101 what's a representative source? ie one of your bigger newspapers writing something not in english?

>>25534101 is he? I hope this turns out well for you guys. I've been pro-trump since he appeared in politics, and I do think, that he has received a lot of unfair treatment since his first term began, and think, that mass-firing bureaucrats and cutting regulations is a good thing, yada yada, but, in all honesty, I'm shocked and disgusted by his pettiness and faggotry when it comes to ukraine.

How did Faggot Starmer manage it even with how cringe he was but not Jewlensky?

>>25534149 I think it's true. Drumpf&Co were extremely insulting towards ukrainians as a whole by treating their wartime-leader like they did.

>>25534115 high IQ post

>>25534183 You mean the penis clown puppet US put in charge a few years ago ?

Russians are everywhere!

>>25534183 No I believe it, if my president was asked to suck cock in front of running cameras and he refused I'd also side with him. Just curious about the general level.

>>25534157 Faggot Stürmer was sucking Drumpf's dick. I've seen their press conference, and it was embarrassing to see Stürmer, the tough law&oder guy that had his police-goons kicking in the doors of people engaged in wrongspeak, totally and utterly sucking up to Drumpf. I felt ashamed for just watching a man lowering himself to such depths. He didn't even understand what he was saying, he was just repeating Drumpf's buzzwords and said all that he thought Drumpf wanted to hear, without even reflecting upon them.

>>25534193 Yeah, who knows. Zele kind of messed it up so maybe they'll need to a surrogate. Doing elections is pretty much impossible.

maybe

>>25533694 Fully agreee onion. Trumps injection of american interior politics with things like the Hunter laptop and russia colussion into this subject was totally misplaced.

>>25534193 I think this would be for the best and Zelensky would still go out with an alright reputation all things considered

>>25534217 Yeah the comments are all Brits saying how cringe it was. No one likes him. He kept touching Drumpf so much it was awkward as fuck.

>>25534229 >Doing elections is pretty much impossible. How would you do elections if half of your voters are either Russians now or spread over who knows where in Europe.

>>25534217 Militairy will be backing Zelenskiy I think. The worst thing was USA unpredictability. They have already halted weapons supply even when Biden was in office half a year ago and it was a clusterfuck. Maybe even it was the general staff who pressured Zelenskiy to finally give a solid answer of the USA relationships.

>>25533694 +1

>>25534236 >slowed down witchhouse trap version of curb your enthusiasm playing in the distance

>>25534193 A couple of days ago they had a vote that was affirming zelensky being the lawful and still active president, and there were zero votes against that notion. So I doubt that this matters.

>"Zelensky overplayed is hand" t. Pres.Trump

>>25534237 It wasn't misplaced at all. It's one of the major factors why Trump is in charge now. Because the Dems are lying warmongers. It ties in with the whole difficulty of negotiating peace when the media machine chooses the bogeymen beforehand. Even Bernds here on KC are patronizing Zelensky for being a good boy, just making ego mistakes. Well such a rookie doesn't belong in high stakes negotations.

he is the only one person who can save europa. he can send millions of jihadist to ukraine fight against roossia. His only weakness is money. just give him money.

>>25534245 It's not difficult to organize voting stations in Poland and Germany and everywhere else in EU, and both Afghanistan and Iraq were able to vote under mutt occupation. Finger paint and all that. But everyone knows it won't be election but a referendum on peace.

>>25534255 So what happens now?

>>25534297 So Zaluzny will be elected and he is even more pro ukraine. whats the point?

>>25534297 Yeah, they're not even trying to hold an election. Outright open refusal.

>>25534297 people who leave country under war should not have rights to vote.

>>25534302 Ukraine lost the war.

>>25534303 Then its their choice. They dont have a choice now.

>>25534311 repeat it 2 more times and it will be become true.

>>25534285 Dems using russia as the boogeyman for an election has shit all to do with the actual geopolitcal conflict at hand here. These are entirely separate issues. Trump even mentioning them and saying how poor old Putin has suffered under these allegations is complete dogshit.

>>25534311 Judging from the snail pace your orc kind is making gains you're not winning

>>25534255 yeah. I hope this will turn out alright in the end.

>>25534303 the point is, that he won't kill off Ukrainians needlessly but for you troons the main point is, that Zelensky keeps doing it

>>25534245 If you flee the country should your vote matter? It's not like you'd suffer any consequences from your vote.

>>25532645 >All he had to do was flatter Trump. Blame Bidet/Obama for the war and offer to rename Xyiv to Trumpiv. Sprinkle in some deals for Trump hotels and golf courses. It was literally this easy for him... why didn't he?

>>25534319 You're wrong about that. It's not separate.

>>25534303 >whats the point? To create a situation where they can sow even more distrust and chaos. If Zaluppy gets elected, they'll say that the election was falsified, and that Zaluppy lied to his voters and yada yada yada, Zelensky was the rightful leader that was couped out of office, and Zaluppy must go.

There is a lot of hubub about Zeleskiy that and Zelenskiy this. But wasn't Trump supposed to be the art of the deal top negotiator? Did he just fail miserably? Trump as president of USA has failed to make a deal with a wartorn country? This is about as much failure as Trumps failed deal in Afghanistan.

>>25534361 Now you step out of line.

>>25534361 You don't make deals with toddlers, you put them in time out when they act up

>>25534375 Drumpf was the one that was acting like a toddler though.

>>25532645 >All he had to do was flatter Trump. Nah i just realised what's going on. Trump realised that what putin is asking for is reasonable, but ukraine won't agree. Ukraine also has absurd rethoric and zelensky is a spastic, so trump is creating this public image of zelensky being against peace and will cut aid. Russia will continue to take ground, putin will get what he wants, and once the government in ukraine collapses due to the disaster, trump will step in again and get his peace for free. Quite brilliant. Ukraine will get gigafucked in the process.

>>25534361 He dealt with him, the little pig bastard. That's the art of the deal.

>>25534350 Bullshit shitflinging is bullshit shitflinging. We all know it was bullshit. Whats the point of bringing that shit up? >>25534372 He isnt though. He was all about appeasing Putins stance he totally forgot about the other side of the table. There was no art in this.

>>25534384 Exactly. I thought this would be obvious to anyone.

>>25534391 >He isnt though I was joking of course.

>>25534255 >Militairy will be backing Zelenskiy

>>25534394 samefagging again, waldi?

>>25534361 well, let's see on the one side, you have a country willing to cooperate with trillions in ressources - with a leader connected with half the world, winning the war, sitting on nukes and on the other side you have a shithole with a clown already bitching about a couple of billions, pic related - with a weak clown leader, losing the war, sitting on 50$-drones made in China hm, you tell me who made the smart deal now

>>25534380 He was a guest asking for continuous aid for a war he seems to have zero interest in ending and pulled the same shit he does with Euro politicians like Trump would clap and tell him how brave he is.

>>25534394 half or more of western people still think putler is a mad dictator and invaded ukraine for no good reason

>>25534408 Ive heard muttperators refer to ukraine as a bigger strategical ally than 5eyes.

>>25534410 Russia is an geostrategic long-term hostile to the US, and the smart move is to collapse it and then take over the pieces.

>>25532645 drunk off attention/((((power)))

>We're looking for peace. We're not looking for somebody that's going to sign up to strong power and then not make peace because they feel emboldened, and that's what I saw happening. i'm looking for peace. we're not looking to go into a ten year war and play games. We want peace. very sensible. btw trump puts on his red hat when he's in a bad mood. white hat is for good mood.

Summary of the story which we can hopefully all agree on is; the US should have never supported the USSR with lend lease and let the germs annihilate them.

>>25534450 jipp.

>>25534450 Well yeah, we shouldn't have fought against Hitler. Everyone already knew that.

>>25534450 patton's was the better option.

>>25534450 You let the mutts win. You should have sent all of your money to the Deutschland. That way we would have national socialist countries in Africa, Asia and Latam

>>25534462 and for that he had to die

>>25534391 Something that Trump learned when seeking Middle East peace during his first administration is that you have to ignore the losers and focus on the winners. The winners are winning because they have resources and firepower to back up their claims. The losers are losing because they don't have that. During diplomacy, the loser will try to win through diplomacy things that he cannot win through firepower. The loser will make unreasonable demands that he cannot possibly back up with anything tangible. This is just going to piss off the winner and peace becomes impossible. During diplomacy, the winner wants to keep as much of the gains as he's made while also minimizing his losses. The goal is to show the winner that they have reached a stage of diminishing returns, and that additional fighting will not earn them any further gains. There is absolutely no scenario where Ukrainian forces are marching into Moscow. There are probably 100+ scenarios where Russian forces are marching into Kiev. You simply are not going to achieve peace by asking Ukraine what their demands are.

>>25534428 that's a possibility, but not a given Russia is potentially an ally, much closer than e.g. India or China

>>25534483 ok but consider that soft goals like making NATO look more attractive than forming an EU army also exist

>>25534483 >Ukrainian forces are marching into Moscow I absolutely love this zigger cope. It's as if they want to be invaded by someone, litteraly anyone. >please take Muscovy Even Prigojin was to disgusted to actually take it.

>>25534428 addendum: even if Russia is hostile, it is an honest hostility - known to both sides, with certain rules, certain trust do not underestimate, that they had 40-50 years of cold war - which was beneficial to the USA even. While China saw the US nuking Japan (and almost China itself). China is completely unpredictable and probably half the US establishment is shaking in their boots, especially since China isn't even opening hostilities, just calmly increasing the economic pressure, driving USA into ruin.

>>25534408 >100 years ago he was hated when he was a surrenderer cuck You are only proving his point, retard.

>>25534193 man, why is it always some corrupt pro-rushit kike appearing in these 'based' news?

>>25534512 but you trannies are not too disgusted to take our 50" dildo and ram it up your holes every day - and once in a while ram it down your throat

>>25534523 AAaaaaand he defaulted to anal sex fantasies, typical of anyone even remotely russian aligned. It's so boring.

>>25534499 NATO and Euros are completely unreliable in a war time situation. Help would have to be pried from their cold dead hands and their demands for assistance would blacken the sky.

>>25533395 i think he just snapped a bit, cause dj hindu repeatedly shat on him even before becoming a vice-president. and trump lately wasn't much better.

>>25534530 There will be no shortage of deep concerns though. Just imagine the depth of the potential concernes.

>>25534483 This sounds like a reasonable post until you consider the point that there is no peace if you give in to the stronger power every time. Russia's military is more powerful than most of its neighbours. Your logic implies that Mordor is free to invade and gobble up land from all of them consequence-free. The most powerful country in the world would see its potential allies snatched from existence and sit idly. Trump has miscalculated. The new administration is deeply unintelligent and doesn't care for America. They are braindead and retarded. It's pitiable.

oh nonono

>>25532776 >suka blyad >сука блядь Is this an Ukrainian thing to say? There's a noticeable lack of the letter i.

>>25534483 >The winners are winning because they have resources and firepower to back up their claims. The losers are losing because they don't have that. I think murricans are totally misguided in their outlook on the situation in ukraine. Ukrainians received only very limited amounts of support, because just sending them enough to keep afloat was the entire strategy behind this "escalation management" bullshit. Murricans think, that they received outstanding amounts of aid, which they didn't. Ukrainians received from the US in total less than twice the pre-war funding of the german Bundeswehr, which everyone here should agree is pathetic and underfunded. Also, Murricans overestimate the levels of calamity that russians experience. Sure, they're in war-mode now, and produce a lot of shit, but it really is a matter of time until their entire economy collapses, and they get a 1914-situation. Increasing the pressure will help.

>talks are coming to the end >all the reporters are screaming at the same time >Vance smiles and takes a relaxed lean on the chair Impressed me. My autism makes me very tense being a center of a shouting crowd.

>>25532960 0.01%

>>25534566 It's russian. Zelenskiy must be a russian agent and ukrainian agent Trump has detected this and immidiately shut down the muscovite spy.

>>25534526 your dilation has nothing to do with sex you filthy troon also there is no phantasy involved in your dilation either

It’s hard to take this very public argument at face value with the knowledge that Zelynskyyy and Trump were both actors/tv personalities before going into politics.

>>25534492 >Russia is potentially an ally Allying with russia is out of the question after the war, because it has just upset the entire world order with it's war. This multipolarity-stuff means taking away murrica's role as the single hegemon. It would be retarded to not treat russia as hostile after that.

>>25534492 not with current govrenment that is more or less an extension of ussr nomenklatura. >>25534483 I agree with your position in prinicpal. But both sides need to be appeased. I also mostly disagree how russia is currently in the position of the winner, Putin is becoming more despotic by the day to keep power and proving to the world his nation doesnt have the strength he cosplayed as. Even China is stealing territory off them in the east. At this point the chance of them marching on Kiev is ridiculous. For a proper piss, Putin needs to retain face, yes. But so does Ukraine, due to their sacrifice. And on top of it you need security guarantuees for both sides to cement it. Ukraine simply ceeding the entire east and even the territories in Russia they hold isnt that. Nor is Russia needing North Koreas getting butchered and chinese golf carts a position of strength. Trump is misreading the room. He just wants the fame of getting a piss plan through.

>>25534580 even more need for the USA to ally them. US just lost the war, without allies it's easy prey.

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>>25532656 >Trump is easy to manipulate >but not for me

Zelensky is being a joke like the Antonio Gutterez

>>25534593 I didn't know how bad his English was. He should rather work with a translator in general. I think he doesn't understand many details correctly and can only express himself in very simple sentences, which then lack the necessary nuance.

>>25534599 He is not more well-versed in Ukrainian.

>>25534599 yeah, he's pretty dumb when it comes to that, just as his buddy ermak. i wonder if he thinks that it's somehow cool that he's talking without a translator?

>>25534599 He has a translator there, he asked him what "regret" means 5 minutes ago.

>>25534593 >>25534599 not watching, believe the German Bernd is right holy moly, that's a crisis alright Ukraine, wtf?

>>25534450 truke

bro zelensky can shoot the shit like radio, im impressed, he can charm you

Khabib vibes!

>>25534616 but there's a translator

>>25532645 Zelensky should have just said to Trump "OK, what do you want from us exactly? Say it in front of the cameras, now, while they are rolling. Not behind closed doors like you do with Putin."

>>25534593 dear god, american ads are peak cringe

>>25534589 >US just lost the war The US has lost nothing. Ukraine was simply undersupplied because of the retardation that came with "escalation management". The west didn't even try properly.

>>25534593 Why the fuck would he go on Fox News? That asshole was constantly trying to bait him into agreeing with Democrats publicly.

>>25534632 i'm not talking about this particular case. quite often, during important talks, they both don't use translators. and ermak's english is worse than zelensky's.

>>25534597 He's a textbook narcissist with mental age of a child

>>25534483 >There is absolutely no scenario where Ukrainian forces are marching into Moscow. The most low IQ argument In WW1 nobody entered the capitals, and hundreds of other wars

>>25534588 >not with current govrenment that is more or less an extension of ussr nomenklatura. even if no alliance: a good enemy is better than a bad friend

>>25532645 >All he had to do was flatter Trump. even if he was a competent politician, that probably wouldn't change much, since Trump and his close circle are so hell bent on dismantling the American empire

>>25534659 tranny delusions they are set to dismantle kakel supremacy decade. nothing more, nothing less.

>>25534652 You can be an egoist without being narcissistic.

>>25534653 >There is absolutely no scenario where Ukrainian forces are marching into Moscow. If Ukraine falls, the ukrainian army will be swallowed by the russian army, and will threaten europe. And I assume, they'd also be their on these WW2 celebrations in moscow.

>>25534657 Your argument is retarded.

Moscow is celebrating

Have you said thank you once, Bernd?

reason with this bernd

>>25534672 no, it's been proven for 50 years of cold war but since you are retarded, you clearly are too dumb to understand even age-old facts

He's bad at negotiating and bad at warfare. He fucked up negotiating with Russia, fucked up negotiating with USA. Didn't regain the lost territory even though the entire world supported him and now he doesn't want to accept defeat. Look at this jewish clown. It's all right he's a midget but maybe he should wear a suit at such an important meeting. He's not Mark Zuckerberg and won't get away with showing up in whatever the fuck that is.

>>25534674 Crazy how putin is incompetent and losing on all fronts but at the same time this mastermind that controls the US

>>25534682 seethe more denis

>>25534686 Why do I need to seethe? He won't be president for long and the war will end now.

>>There is absolutely no scenario where Ukrainian forces are marching into Moscow. Idk, in ww2 german soldiers went through Moscow very well. Hohol criminals might join the parade as well.

>>25534678 You mean during the cold war they underfunded their friends allies so that they fall to their enemies, because enemies are better than friends?

What is she thinking right now?

yes Zalenski is losing the war according to vance and not the side using north korean mercs and 1950s north korean artillery

>>25534694 Interesting evolution.

>>25534697 wtf, the witch used to be hot

>>25534677 I wonder what JD Vance is actually thinking half the time, i'm guessing he mostly thinks in term of how do i stop this orange retard from fucking up my chances to be president

>>25534697 the one on the left I would.

>>25534697 Aged like a russian womean...hey...wait a minute..

>>25534703 tranny, stop breaking your empty skull about things out of your league. start wondering if your 60" dildo will cut it in a month, or if you should order a 70" dildo to keep up your dilation needs.

JD vance eats Indian food nuff said

>>25534696 Even if you choose to believe western sources that claim Ukros dealt twice as much damage as they received in soldiers wounded or killed, Ukraine will still be finished eventually.

>>25534691 yeah, yeah Copes never change since 2014

>>25534713 You're the schizo tranny, no straight sane person would thinks about such gay abstractions

>>25534720 It would be fun if yurop would go into war-economy mode just to collapse russia, because why not. After all, russia is not even 1/10 their size economically speaking, so they could collapse russia simply by outspending it.

damn, boys here I am waking up to drink a beer and eating some hot stew and then, there's this international geopolitical crisis going on

>Dear Citizens of Gayrope, >we as your leaders have decided to stop being gay, so we have created the fuck-russia-fond, in which from now on 10% of our GDP will be put, which will be used to fuck with russia in whatever mischievous way we can imagine. But fear not, we will not raise your taxes, but cut back our welfarestate and all the useless and onerous bullshit government programs that we came up with during the past few decades.

>>25534729 Europe doesnt have the industrial capacity to turn that spending into real weapons though. We dont have he workers,the materials, the knowhow instead we have prohibiting beurocracy, slow and corrupt procurement processes

>>25534676 Imagine the red fabric touching his cock

All he had to do was to be Israeli

>>25534666 > kakel supremacy decade are you on crack?

>>25534801 He's literally a jew.

Even Glenn Greenwald feels compelled to add his two cents to today's drama. https://rumble.com/v6pwzbi-glenn-reacts-to-trump-zelensky-exchange-system-update-415.html

>>25534727 dilate tranny, there is nothing sexual about your deviance anyways, just reeking mucus

even Lindsey Graham is taking a big dump on Zelensky he fucked up so royally and no Fox interview will cut it

>>25534776 I think that yurop has the capacity to produce endless amounts of new and improvized weaponry when they just shoot their bureaucrats and get rid of their regulation as well as procurement procedures. Look at what ukraine has achieved with far less when it comes to things like drones. People should start to understand, that military procurement is in large parts just a moneylaundering grift.

>>25534697 KC overdose.

>>25534462 Time has proven that America was the ultimate Poz civilisation. Even a Communist conquest of Europe would have ultimately been far less destructive to the people and culture than what American hegemony has proven to be.

>>25534887 It's not the fault of the murricans. The problem is that their system works too good, has created unprecedented amounts of wealth, and the lack of death violence and disease has just screwed the brains of the populace, whose brains are adapted to live in an environment where these things are omnipresent.

>>25534846 >even Lindsey Graham did anyone complain who doesn't suck up to Drumpf? If only Drumpfler's minions and suckers complain, this does not mean much.

>>25534869 Delusional. Even Hitler having conquered all Europe and being a schizo still knew he NGMI without russian energy and had to rush southern oil fields and all.

>>25534919 retard, you are retarded Graham was war hawk against Trump

>>25534957 Hitler was blockaded and didn't have access to nuclear power plants. Ru energy isn't a critical requirement in 2025 so long as the Euros get serious about fixing their countries.

>>25534967 Until when? I don't follow such politics. In my opinion all politicians and government employees should be shot or gassed, no exceptions, so I don't follow their ramblings and intrigues.

>>25534978 Until Trump got elected. Lindsay used to rebuke Trump about his Ukraine statements when he was still a candidate.

>>25534978 > I don't follow such politics. >I amn not a retard, I am just dumb will you fuck off

>>25534697 She is living with the Fable morality slider

>>25534977 What will you do with nuclear power plants? Charge your electric tanks? They still gonna need lubrication and plastic details.

>>25534988 Thanks for the answer, I didn't know. It seems that he just fell in line.

>After the public confrontation against Trump, Zelenski looks at someone in the audience and makes this gesture... >It seems that the clown has followed someone's instructions to blow up the negotiation.

>>25534995 tanks seem rather useless in ukraine. I'd be thinking of drone-swarms being brought to the next level. Also, using the technology that's being used with drones with massproduced guided rockets, that loiter until they spot a target or have one highlightened for them by some surveillance drone. Bring the entire killchain to a new level. Also goyman car industry should be able to mass-produce something like Wiesel Tankettes, which quite often beat main battle tanks in wargames. I have a long list of ideas that I'd implement myself, just for fun and giggles, and the only thing that actually is holding me back is the lack of access to explosices and testing area where I can test my inventions. And I'm sure there are more people like me around.

>>25535029 No doubt organized by the lovely EU rats during their recent meeting.

>>25534906 Native (European) Americans are the victims of this also. Madison Grant (pbuh) was writing about this over a century ago. American capitalism knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

>>25534995 Nuclear power plants will minimize overall demand for gas and petroleum as energy sources, and Europe can import the remainder of its petroleum requirements, like for war stuff. It'll be more expensive than Ru petroleum, but they would import a fraction of what they have to right now. Right now, they have to import oil and gas for everything - industry, residential, and military. Ample nuclear power capacity would reduce the requirements to just military and specific industry needs. And, of course, Russia can't blockade Europe.

cookie monster

gloves -> off

>>25535043 Then why did he sign away a portion of the profits from rare earth harvesting? It makes little sense.

why should i care about this?

>>25535076 You should watch and see what's going to happen to parasites like yourself.

>>25535074 He didn't sign anything. That's why we have this thread.

watch this troons, and you won't need a dilation during the next 6 hours, your skull will feel brainfucked like usual

>>25535066 other gloves coming on

>>25535135 ALSO

>>25534677 lol his face when trump says hunter biden's bathroom

I like the new dark trump since he got shot in the face

Because I am Canadian I have to stand on the side of order and degeneracy, so I stand with Zelensky.

Uhoh. So long Zelenskyy.

>>25535135 Who gives a fuck about this mineral deal? it was clear that ukraine gains nothing from it. Trump made up his mind about ukraine months ago.

it's obviously theater, he was gives outlines prior to this play, he is designated

>>25535149 based, zelensky should publicly announce that its impossible to speak with america while a the retarded vice president is in room sperging out like child and how he wants to talk with the real man - trump alone

>>25535153 was the last chance for Ukraine to play ball

>>25535160 >based He lost tho. Got nothing. Oh well!

>>25535162 you russians been counting last chances for ukraine for over 1000 days now. keep on counting

>>25535162 Play ball as in getting a 3 month cease fire and then have russia attack again.

>>25535144 He's fucking everything the democrats have supported in the past. Such dedication. I hope he'll butcher the pentagon defense budget. >>25535153 But USA won't get anything from putin in return. >>25535160 Macron announced it during the meetings with other EU partners. Germany and Poland stuck with USA. I think Macron arranged the meeting between Trump and Zelensky to show others euro leaders what kind of support they would get now.

I am praying for the total annihilation of the Ukrainian people and their nation. Godspeed Trumpf.

>>25535166 >>25535167 dilate troons he begged so hard, he lied so hard and thinks the world is full of trannies dilating hard every day to forget it all, even though there was plenty of memes about "credit" and now he refuses to pay back. well. you can do that to dumb nafo troons. but not to Trump.

>>25535149 /b/ is way behind German Bernd, this was posted here hours ago. >>25532581

>>25535176 >But USA won't get anything from putin in return. meh. he got already enough before. but Russia is willing to play ball with ressources some more.

>>25535167 So your solution is just to keep sending your people to death until there are no more of them?

>>25535184 yes you are dilating ahahhaha

>>25535197 cope, seethe and dilate tranny

>>25533060 There is a simple explanation - they already made up their minds long before this circus with the deal even started. So this performance is an elegant (in trump's eyes) attempt to opt out from his claims to end the war in one weak

>>25535195 it's that or be denazified. without security guarantees there can be no peace, considering russia's previous actions.

>>25535195 >So your solution is just to keep sending your people to death Like Russkie ever cared about Xoxol deaths. Even the current loss rate is better than being Ahasverused out forever and your home being given to AYE goblin from Lower Tagil

>>25535250 there is an even simpler explanation: zelebobo is a tranny

grifter got told plenty of times, but just like the trannies - he never gets the message

>>25535268 Would this also be your opinion if you were sent to the front?

>>25535135 kek

Now for a juicy burger.

Why didn't the secret service intervene here? If I would be in charge I definitely would order three agents between Zelensky and Trump to shield the US president at some point of the argument, despite the diplomatic consequences.

You are russian living in germany

They're supposed to rescue Trump from looking like a retarded child? Impossible

Jews are retarded

>their country which one, Israel, United States or maybe both

>>25533593 The only moron in the room was Zelensky for losing his cool. Trump was doing basic front facing politics, stressing American power and mercy, and he lost it. Everyone knows these little press gatherings are PR where both leaders get a chance to look good to their own domestic audience. Zelensky however behaved as if it were the actual meeting, not only embarrassing his hosts but making himself look tactless.

>>25533570 >Why didn't the secret service intervene here? The secret service is under STRICT orders to not make Trump look uncool. They almost fumbled when he got shot at and he was down so long. No. If this escallated, Trump would use his mass to pin Zelensky down, and JD would jump in to beat the fucker up immediately.

>>25533626 You live in Penza, katsap

Jews literally the only reason why US didnt start war with Soviet union to drive them out of Europe in 1946

>>25533669 There are differentiating views on the naming of where i actually live in

>>25533740 also the reason the ussr got nukes

Why did they film?

>>25533754 But still

>>25533733 how to use courier font in latex?

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>>25533940

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Brooos! Wtf is happening!? Is he going to ask for more?

is gay

accuse the other guy of what you are doing

thief screaming CATCH THAT THIEF!

not cool.

Why are Ukronazis so disrespectful?

>>25532581 Imagine sitting in front of a jew and telling them hitler isnt a bad guy and jews were wrong to agitate him

>>25532581 No more money for you Zelensky !

>>25532641 but jews had it coming. jewish oligarchs plundered germoney during the weimar republic

1day art of deal to end war Trump is emberassing himself He just doesn't know Grindsent of us Slavs Well he has that Slovakian bimbo bitch

we are entering the era of wecterners pretending that suka blyat is not Russians swearing constantly, but just a heresay

who's a cyka blyat?

>>25532685 How would suka blyat be in ukrainian?

>>25533873 Suka blyat

>>25532641 uh, based?

Yo, the nigga that diddled the little Chinese chomo, the nigga was wearing a varsity jacket with a wolf patch - is that a team with the bad wolf logo?

>>25533873 sacrebleu

He should have taken a small dose of amphetamine and a small dose of weed. That would have kept his mind clear and unemotional. Frankly, everyone should have a little bit of amphet and THC in their blood while they're working. It'll make everyone more reasonable and productive.

>>25534552 This is literally my life as an engineer in 2025

He's giving an interview with Brett Baier on Fox right now https://www.foxnews.com/politics/zelenskyy-breaks-silence-social-media-after-fiery-oval-office-exchange-trump-thank-you-america

man this is some hilarious serious political drama dude

bro Zelensky is surprisingly unbending cool-headed shameless under pressure like a different person

>>25534578 It's weird to see a geopolitical situation unpacked on TV like interviewing players after a sportsball game

they want Zelensky to be mad LMAO but he is being cool as fuck

>>25534586 He lives in a propaganda bubble designed for him by his staffers - no losses, nearly won, popular support and all that jazz. Why not be sure.

>>25534642 >loses 3 armies <waaah undersupplied

some fat staffer being smarter than Zelensky

>>25535368 >shariy Pidor, please

>>25534697 she didnt hit the wall, she splattered on it

>>25535368 Somebody said that's the Ukrainian ambassador, is that true?

>>25535385 I'm very bad with faces but looks so.

Without US aids and backing, has Ukraine got any hope?

>>25535398 Yes, if Europe starts sending men into the meat grinder and increases donations by 10x.

>>25535398 We will continue what we did before untill something changes

>>25535282 >die on the front killing pidors or die in pidor torture chamber Hmmmm

>>25535406 you mean your dilation will finally rip through your skull? that'll be the day

>>25535409 just switch off VPN and suck on a foreskin

>>25535411 screech for me pozz shit

Taking Zelenskyy's words in this video, I agree with him. He couldn't sign the deal unless there was backing from the US in a guaranteed security deal. Why won't the US guarantee security if they want peace?

>>25535409 So why aren't you volunteering?

>please surrender and sign ceasefire so pidor could regroup and attack your again No.

>>25535421 I am 1.5 years in the army

>>25535419 He is in no position to make demands.

>Is he retarded? He's a Ukrainian. You can see all their IQ exposed right here on KC. I had easier time communicating with literal niggers than finding any reason in the posts of Ukrainians.

>>25535427 Yet the demands from him are reasonable. His country is weak and needs a strong counter ally.

>>25535426 I mean at the front lines, not sitting in an office and sending your brethren there.

>>25535424 >force russia and ukraine into ceasefire >establish DMZ on current front lines it worked for Korea. no war in 70 years

>>25535419 We want Europe to step up. Trump is showing Europeans that they have far more at stake in this than we do.

>>25535434 Forgot to ask you what to do, fucking retard

>>25535428 damn all their intelligence quotient? please tell me if they are midwits or not, heard the cargo cult is pretty bad over there

>>25535437 South Korea has american bases. Ukraine will not.

>>25535437 >force russia and ukraine into ceasefire We already had 2 ceasefires with pidors. There is no reasons to believe anything pidor says.

>>25535444 And North Korea still claimed "partial victory"

>>25535438 True, and I believe that is now showing signs of happening. Is it unreasonable though to ask for guarantees of security from the world's foremost superpower?

>>25535438 Europe being militarily weak and dependent on USA is a feature, not a bug.

>>25535439 I'm not the one promoting war.

>>25535424 Yeah the deal made no sense. Ceasefire, freezing the front line, giving Russia the territory it captured, giving away half of all mineral revenues in perpetuity, and then not even getting a security guarantee in return. It's a better bet for Zelensky to try to get the Europeans to backfill American support. If that doesn't pan out, then he's gone, but even that outcome is better for him than agreeing to the surrender deal that Trump proposed.

>>25535448 So? Finland was forced to sign piss treaty in Moscow giving up more few times more land than Staling wanted to have as a buffer yet they thing they won it completely.

>>25535457 True

>>25535416 dilate tranny

>>25535449 We'd be setting ourselves up for a war we don't have a stake in. Why would we do that?

>>25535461 lol

>>25535427 Signing a shitty deal is worse then no deal Russia's only condition for peace is that ukraine be completely demilitarized and vulnerable for invasion

>>25535464 A war with whom?

>>25535438 >Trump is showing Europeans only if this is a theatre conspiracy theory. I think the reality is that trump wanted minerals with no security guarantee and ukraine to agree to a ceasefire. so he could tout he got a ceasefire in ukraine like in gaza.

>>25535464 Right. America egged the war on until Europe completely cut ties with Russia and her resources (and now Europe is entirely dependent on USA again). Mission accomplished.

>>25535464 The minerals would be our stake. Instead, the deal without a security guarantee leaves Russia free to invade again, and even if America doesn't send support, Ukraine would still have to keep paying us half of their mineral revenues.

>>25535451 Used to be. And I bet a lot of deep staters are really upset at Trump over it.

>>25535457 >Yeah the deal made no sense Ukraine have no chances. The choice they have is to capitulate asap or reconsider after wasting few more millions of population. You can ofc disregard this because of my ball but people in many other countries see it just as clear.

>>25535468 you shouldn't be paid for this post, it's a repeat. >>25535321

>>25535467 Russia is gonna have bigger fish to fry in the future. Eventually they are gonna have a "nigeria-tier" islamist insurgency 20 years from now, and with limited manpower they are probably gonna have to use genocidal tactics. they don't want NATO bombing them like Serbia.

Poccnrs really do be like: pee pee poo poo.

>>25535476 good thing that NATO is history now

>>25535476 russia is a democratic nation believe it or not, when these islamist niggers will become the majority theyll get in power, they wont be crushed

>>25535474 >capitulate and die >or die fighting Very tough choice, innit?

>>25535485 dilate tranny, there is no choice

>>25535472 It's much easier to buy minerals on global markets than to fight a war for them.

>>25535485 Why try communicating with a pidor?

>>25535492 you need to dilate, no choice given

seriously this minerals deal is the stupidest thing ive every heard. If Ukraine has all these rare earth minerals, why haven't they already exploited them for profit? Are you gonna give me some lame ass excuse like "they don't have super high tech extraction technology that america has"

>>25535474 There's one other possible choice - gamble on the Europeans stepping up. So between (a) surrender; (b) slowly but inevitably lose the war completely; (c) gamble on European support to replace American support, he chose C.

>>25535485 That's why you keep fighting exclusively on KC.

>>25535485 >arguing with shills lol

>>25535490 My point is that without a security guarantee written into the minerals deal, we wouldn't have to go to war to get minerals, Ukraine would be obligated to send us minerals even if they get invaded again.

>>25535498 Pretty sure everybody has those, they've not been mined for millennia like gold. It's just not being prospected for at the same level. Compare with Lithium, of which there are sizable deposits in for example the Rhine graben but which we'll never get to mine for the same reason we never got a permanent nuclear waste disposal site.

Why are Ukroball and those other Shills breaching their containment thread? Is the situation so bad for Ukraine?

>>25535500 only countries that matter are UK, France, Germany. They are the only ones that have a decent sized military industrial complex. everyone else is just along for the ride,

>>25535500 Maybe it is like that. However Z-man himself did admit that they are gone without US, despite ukrainians here saying that your aid is miniscule and they won't even notice it stopping.

>>25535473 It has panned out perfectly for the deepstate. They've been talking for decades about the need to focus on Asia and disentangle from Europe. -Europe has lost its energy & resource security previously provided by Russia and (despite all their crying) is now wholly dependent on USA good grace (sea power dominance, like Britain in the 19th century). There'll be a lot of wringing of hands and Trump bad wailing but they're all trudging to the Whitehouse to kiss Orangeman's ass.

Why not just sign the deal? Ukraine wanted to sell out to US since 1991 regardless. Guarantees? You got them when americans paid you to disarm. Without selling your ass to americans there's no even a point for them in this.

>>25535537 Don't even stop war, keep sabotaging any cease fire and keep negotiations ban. Just sign it and have US aids flowing in. No, they want to up the demands instead and get booted.

Wow, sticky Pidorashka butthurt.

>>25535547 Ukroshills are really mad.

>>25535535 Deep state is not a cohesive entity, and like all bureaucracies a lazy one too. They like the status quo. That said there probably is a faction that is currently celebrating.

war with ruskies nearing to end so all the jews and other scum are angry coz no more making money on war in oinkraine

>>25535524 Sure. Zelensky's (and maybe Macron's) gamble playing out would mean Europe would at least double its spending on Ukraine and/or send troops. Europe can afford it, but it'll hurt. It'll also require a massive and fast expansion of European defense industrial bases and militaries as a whole. That'll be hard, though most EU members have said before they're going to increase military spending anyway to comply with NATO requirements. And this is what European politicians (incumbents anyway) will need to do if America really steps away from the conflict completely. I guess they have the option to abandon Ukraine, but that seems unlikely because it'll end their careers. They also have the option of trying to help Ukraine but failing, which will also end their careers. To preserve their careers, they have to succeed.

>just kiss stronger in ass and do everything he tells you I know the nationality of OP.

>>25535559 You think we will see more foreign leaders being dragged into the White house about their conflict with Russia?

>>25535537 >Why not just sign the deal? Ukraine wanted to sell out to US since 1991 regardless. <confused pidor

>>25535559 >to comply with NATO requirements They're not doing it to comply with NATO requirements. They're doing it because there might be a future without NATO, and it might be close too.

>>25535573 Macron set this meeting up. I'm not sure if Zelensky would have gone if Macron didn't encourage it. Going forward, America would only talk to foreign leaders about Ukraine if it continues to send money to Ukraine. If it stops its support, what basis would it have to interrogate other leaders about their levels of support to Ukraine?

Here's how EU can become energy independent from BOTH america and russia: kiss and make up with erdogan, and get pipeline from qatar built re-do scramble for africa and kick the chinks out by offering infrastructure projects. africans admitted they would rather do business with white people than chinks, but white people only give them "a lecture"

>>25535588 Erdogan is unreliable. Have you seen Turkey's foreign policy?

>>25535561 If you don't have a power to stand on your own and don't want to join a stronger side, you gotta have the diplomatic skill to ride 2 dicks at once (or oscillating fast between them) making them compete for you while reaping profits. Turkey and Azerbaijan are able to do that.

>>25535593 Dying ofc is always an option.

>>25535559 >To preserve their careers, they have to succeed. Then they've made a very unwise gamble. Ukraine succeeding in doing anything other than surviving while giving up significant territorial concessions has been a long shot at best. I don't know where everyone has gotten the idea that Ukraine could actually restore prewar borders, but it has never been realistic without other countries putting their troops on the front lines.

>>25535554 Geostrategic realities are a constant, you have a desired destination and only the 'window dressing' and route change. What's the reality? Europe was drifting away from America hegemony since the end of the cold war, despite the hiccups and bluster of the Trump circus, Europe is weaker and more entangled with America today and for the foreseeable future than since the 1990s.

>>25535586 Zelensky's ministers have approved the deal. He was supposed to just put his presidents signature on it. If he didn't plan to do it, there were no reason to come at all. It puzzled Trump.

>>25535559 >They also have the option of trying to help Ukraine but failing, which will also end their careers. To preserve their careers, they have to succeed. In Western Europe, Ukraine is near the bottom of priorities for most of the population.

>>25535609 The deal in the form I saw wasn't terrible. It didn't contain security guarantees but didn't rule them out either, and the joint fund idea has a good incentive structure (can't get your dollars back if UA is broke).

>>25535609 Because Euros told him 24 hours before not to take the deal, don't forget their group hug photo yesterday.

>>25535614 >In Western Europe, Ukraine is near the bottom of priorities for most of the population. This. Only government-parties care, population is tired of Ukraine and Ukraine refugees.

>>25535596 It depends on how we (they) define "succeed". If Europeans ramp up their support and effectively replace what America would have provided (and/or more than that if Euros send troops), then they can apply the same pressure on Russia as America would have. With that pressure, they could broker a peace deal in a year similar to what Trump proposed, but with a security guarantee. Ukraine would lose territory, but Zelensky's fine with that at this point, as the negotiations over the mineral deal have shown us. Euro leaders could then reasonably call it a success.

>>25535620 >>25535620 >>25535620 >>25535620

>>25535624 > population is tired of Ukraine and Ukraine refugees Nod rly. Most well-behaved refugee population since the boat people.

I need a hero I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night He's gotta be strong, and he's gotta be fast And he's gotta be fresh from the fight

>>25535614 European politics is even more boomer-centric than American politics. CDU victory in germoney shows that they are afraid of any experimentation and would settle for mediocrity because it somehow feels stable

>>25535625 no. The only success for EU ist complete defeat of Russia. Because that was their goal as stated. Any concession to Putin would be a failure for them. They brought it on themselves by saying Russian defeat is the only option.

>>25535624 Can't afford to heat your home? Cities overrun with more and more niggers? Lost your job? Well suck it up, we gotta tighten our belts and give hundreds of billions to some country you didn't even know existed 5 years ago

>>25535645 >Russian defeat is the only option. Yes. It will be done.

>>25535633 >Nod rly. Most well-behaved refugee population since the boat people. yes really. Nobody wants that lecherous and demanding and criminal behavior.

>>25535639 > afraid of any experimentation AfD has some truly terrible ideas on top of being corrupt foreign agents, these experiments are rightfully not being undertaken. And the rest aren't experiments - you have the commies, CDU/CSU, and the ex government parties.

>>25535649 lol

>>25535651 AfD is the only party with solutions for the problems while any other parties are just a "go on no matter what".

>>25535646 if AFD screws up, then they won't get reelected, but at least you will have hindsight.

>>25535650 Pretty sure you're Russian or Russian German so I'm going to disregard your opinion. Your writing style is a bit too familiar.

>>25535625 Trump is pushing for negotiations now because he believes that the status quo favors Russia and that Ukraine's position relative to Russia will get worse over time. You don't want to start negotiations when your people are war weary and your troops are exhausted. This is how Trump evaluates a deal.

>>25535646 >implying american behemoth state is going to give back your tax money while confront with china is on the horizon This is just a shitty argument tbh, very naive.

>>25535639 Would Trump win in proportional elections with several political parties? I doubt so.

>>25535666 Ukraine's position is far worse without carte blanche American support.

I respect Ukrainians they defended themselves against the attack of the 2nd army of the world they humiliated trump and america live srsly

>Trumptard trying to pull his usual shit >"BREAKING NEWS: Ukraine has announced deal with China for rare earth minerals in exchange for chinese safety guarantees and peacekeeping troops" Please, god! Please!!

>>25535639 You saw that CDU was voted by women, right? It's a women politics, not european.

americans think we are gay and poor eurobros...

>>25535673 That simply is the realitxy of the meme >sacrifice your wealth for corrupt shithole Ukraine

>>25535662 Last time we elected a meme party they promptly made it impossible to not reelect them. (I consider AfD more Orban-style populists rather than fascists but the dangers are similar)

>>25535680 The Chinese have been eerily silent during all of this.

>>25535673 this is probably one of the dumber propaganda pieces coming out of this whole thing

>>25535685 It's always a saar.

>>25535671 Then you had shitty institutions to begin with. Maybe draft a new constitution with independent executive, legislature, and judiciary,

>>25535668 Talking about Europe. Either way, people feel resentful about being squeezed further for something far away and which they care little about. Ukraine winning at this point is a sunk cost fallacy.

>>25535673 >when primary schools teachers escape the classroom

>>25535688 >Orban-style populists rather than fascists Reminded me of this gem.

>>25535666 I don't think relative position matters that much in this case. Russia is earning less, spending more, and borrowing a lot more at extremely high interest rates. Its currency is devaluing hard. Russia can't afford to keep the war going much longer either, especially not if it's not capturing territory at a good pace. They can keep going forever and probably conquer Ukraine eventually, but Putin's strategic goal to assert Russia as a major power will fail because the country will end up extremely poor. Ukraine would be even worse off in that scenario of course. Putin has to settle this soon too, maybe just as soon as Zelensky does.

>>25535711 False equivalency. LDPR is controlled opposition

>>25535700 We did draft a new constitution after all that went down. That meme party was the NSDAP.

>>25535684 The only result of your vatnik bullshit and MAGA was to make hardcore progressive liberalism seem like a vision of heaven and a breath of fresh air. Biden's presidency looks like a mythical golden age of America.

>>25535716 >Biden's presidency looks like a mythical golden age of America. lol lmao

>>25535715 >We lol

>>25535713 >Russia can't afford to keep the war going much longer either This got stale 2 years ago.

>>25535720 He is a hoholian draft-dodger so it is to him.

posing in epic bread

>>25535703 >Talking about Europe. >Either way, people feel resentful about being squeezed further for something far away and which they care little about. Ukraine winning at this point is a sunk cost fallacy. No. I advocate for total war against Russia because defeating them is priceless. Europe above all things, at any cost.

>>25535716 >The only result of your vatnik bullshit and MAGA was to make hardcore progressive liberalism seem like a vision of heaven and a breath of fresh air. Biden's presidency looks like a mythical golden age of America. Imagine being this retarded.

>>25535716 No, I think America will benefit from disengaging from Ukraine in the short-term. We just don't have much economic interest in that region. Longer-term though, obviously this'll hurt our power as the global hegemon, but that's not Trump's problem, or at least he doesn't care about the diplomatic effects.

Part two still hasnt been posted yet or i missed it.

>>25535685 EU+UK+Norway+Switzerland is almost US economy but european economy is real, US economy is based on fake printed "gold" - dollars

>>25535731 >>25535720 burned being autistic as usual

>>25535730 How about the butthurt belt polls all their resources to fight Russia while Wectern Europe handles its own business just need a few years to remove Auslanders in a humane and just way

>>25535720 >>25535731 It's a simple truth people are afraid to say but everyone knows it.

>>25535740 you got owned big time.

>>25535645 >>25535625 Success for EU on EU terms would be: - it gains a stable trade partner, and possibly a new member (a real fixer-upper) - ratchets up the centralization a bit again (creates EU army) - rapprochement with Russia backed by their own military this time

>>25535744 >but everyone knows it. sure thing. In your head it was real.

>>25535733 America made mistake by tying dollar's value to US military strength after ww2. We're rich cause everyone has to use our dollars and if they don't we can do what USSR did in Hungary or Czechoslovakia. USSR was also dependent on intimidating others. Once Gorbachev did perestroika nobody respected USSR anymore.

>>25535738 >but european economy is real, US economy is based on fake printed "gold" - dollars The UK economy is based on shuffling money around and house prices

>>25535744 The truth is that Trump is rising in the poll.

>>25535713 I'd be thrilled if that were the case, but people have been saying Russia was running out of things since the first months of the war and the Russians have made them all fools. They have money from oil, significant allies willing to work with them and the will of the people which appears to be enough to sustain the current level of action.

I voted for Trump and two betas looked bad who tried to bully Zelensky and he did not back down. Shows difference between war time leader vs political figures for tech CEOs If I was Trump I'd be impressed and give him a few nukes for that stunt.

>>25535757 Russia stopped 1st chechen war cause soldier's mothers staged huge protests to "bring our boys home". Strangely, these soldiers mothers have been absent recently.

>>25535747 >- it gains a stable trade partner, and possibly a new member (a real fixer-upper) You don't even have an IQ of 60 if you think that a fourth world shithole like Ukraine would be a win for the EU. This is 10000 times worse than Greece and would give the EU the final economic death blow.

It would be cool if Euros undo their neo-vaginas and continue the war on their own but do they even have the industry in place for such a thing? Weren't they constantly saying they had almost nothing to give Ukraine anymore in the past 2 years or so? It's would be hilarious if Zelensky just returns to the White House in a few days to sign the deal and all the Euro support amounted to nothing more than some tweets after his confrontation with Trump.

just woke up to the news, putler must be dancing a jig

>>25535763 Different times, such social fabric has degraded away in wect and eact. We now live in hyperreality.

>>25535713 If paradox games are any lesson, the way it works is you can force an almost indefinite stalemate with another power, but when a second power comes knocking you're toast. Russia can afford to keep up a war of attrition for a long time but their security is going to become more and more brittle.

>>25535713 >Russia is earning less Completely uneducated bullshit, Russia has record economic growth and outproduces the western west in terms of ammunition. You are the gas station, Russia the super power.

Reminder that 84% of germans don't want to spend any more on Ukraine.

>>25535764 the connotation of fixer-upper is exactly that. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fixer%20Upper

>>25535771 >Russia is about to collapse, this time for sure the same bullshit since 2022 over and over again.

>>25535749 Right, disengaging from world police activities will hurt the dollar. The carrot-and-stick dynamic that keeps countries using the dollar for trade will change dramatically. And then the fact that we do nothing productive in this country will take its toll on the economy and our living standards.

>>25535734 >"We're respected again." He knows he's lying. American prestige and reputation are in the negative, they are actively hated and despised. His angry tone is the tone of a frustrated person who knows he has lost control, and his anger at the mere mention of Putin indicates he knows people are rapidly catching on to his connection to him. Donny is slipping, hubris is catching up.

It was Kamala. Now poopskins are happy.

>>25535772 I will never understand the urge of immigrants to idealize their homeland but refusing to move there. Russians share this delusion with Algerians.

you know what, fuck the EU. Bring back pre-1914 world order. only big countries, no small countries. all modern wars are fought over small countries on the periphery of larger countries. just get rid of the smaller countries.

Now that US retreated, we have to ask India and China to put soldiers into Europe to keep the peace.

>>25535777 what a gay word

>>25535765 The best thing to lower defense spending would be to work Russians for 1 decade with hand me downs. Letting Russians off the hook to become threat in 25 years. But probably #1 reason. Trump wants military aid to Israel not Ukraine.

>>25535781 >>25535749 I do wonder what'll happen to your national debt. My theory so far has been, you can take as much debt as you like because of your superpower status. Now Trump is making credible steps towards paying it off the traditional way (by making money off tariffs, and cutting government spending), but if he sacrifices your superpower status for it it may still blow up on him.

>>25535772 Look up "war economy" and how those end.

>>25535795 Keep on being delusional.

>>25535771 The big fear with Russia now is that they have a far more competent military (though materially degraded) full of experienced men and officers, i imagine a lot of the fat has been cut off the relevant arms of the state also. It was a bloated joke pre-invasion, I think they really would take Kiev in 2 weeks if sent back to to 2021 and faced the (inexperienced) Ukrainian army of that time.

>>25535779 Not what I said, Russia definitely still has registers to pull, such as outright confiscating private property (being floated) or mobilizing Muscovites. But there are good reasons that hasn't been done yet.

In ww2, japan had GDP on level of Italy, but still conquered most of china and SEA and it took America 4 year special operation to beat then. keep in mind that US gdp was 6x japan.

>>25535813 > measured in rubles

>>25535796 Real american solution russians can support.

>>25535804 > Letting Russians off the hook to become threat in 25 years. How about teaming up with Russia and taking Greenland, murdering EU fags and hanging all nafo troons? The new world order is China, Russia, Iran, North Korea and the USA all at peace and all the liberal shitholes will be bombed into the ground.

>>25535813 My point still stand. You don't see waves of Russians from Germany or the Baltic countries to move in Russia. Neither a wave of le based western trad conservatives that Russia announced to welcome. Why? We know why and you know why.

>>25535829 thank you for you input, waldi

>>25535829 >all the liberal shitholes will be bombed into the ground But who will jews leech off then?

>>25535827 >>25535827 russia is too poor and weak for that

>>25535829 Predictable stupidity.

>>25535814 >(though materially degraded) Ignorant statement. Russia's increased spending and production.

>>25535813 Poor quality post. Your first chart shows that oil&gas revenues fell, and non-o&g revenues increased. That means increased taxation. Russia has passed several tax increases since this war began. They can't keep doing that forever. Your second chart ends at 2009. I'm not sure what you're trying to convey with that.

>>25535838 Make them all EUSSR?

>>25535837 Jews go for #1 GDP. Roman to England to USA. Israelis hope Asia doesn't succeed. But learning kanji is too hard for jews to both.

How can you make peace with russia if you can't even make peace with the US?

>>25535841 How much of that are confiscated donkeys?

>>25535841 And Germany had more troops in 1945 than 1939, what's your point retard?

>>25535831 when immigrants don't assimilate, it means the host country is weak. >>25535841 doesn't explain the donkeys though. maybe we'll see recreation of polish hussars vs german panzers

>>25535827 Take Greece too and show them they need to work more than 4 hrs day for 4 days week.

>>25535771 Holy fuck I hope no one is stupid enough to get their geopolitics education from fucking Paradox. Like, goddamn, you'd be better off learning physics from Mario

>>25535861 Ah, an orthodox brothers reunion, would be nice.

>>25535854 >when immigrants don't assimilate, it means the host country is weak. No, it means they are too numerous and/or too culturally different.

>>25535861 greeks aren't that lazy. they just don't like paying taxes, so treasury is always poor. alot of houses in greece are partial unfinished to avoid paying property taxes, or so i've heard.

>>25535775 >physical exports Meanwhile; >The UK's GDP is primarily driven by the services sector, which accounts for about 80% of economic activity. Manufacturing and construction contribute approximately 10% and 6% respectively, with tourism also playing a significant role in the economy. Shuffling money around and building houses for niggers.

>>25535864 You mean there's no political mana in real life that every state gets at the same rate? Noooo

>>25535861 Russia has almost no navy left. Even if the Turks let them through the bosphorus, Ukraine has shown that small cheap drones can take out ships, especially Russia's aging and poorly maintained ones. Greece isn't happening.

>>25535867 Your history will end as a European and/or Chinese client state.

>>25535864 In his defense: If you play any strategy game, Anno for example, you learn you should always have a military ready just in case. EU doesn't have a military. If they played more games, we would be in a much better position.

He is so dumb Hope he realizes the next day all he has beem doing for his cunt actually made hohols suffer more

>>25535831 >You don't see waves of Russians from Germany or the Baltic countries to move in Russia Instead you see aggressive outflows of Europeans from their shitholes to the USA, Dubai and Thailand and so on. Epic levels of brain drain and a replacement of the native population with fifth worlders who will soon establish African living standards within a generation or two of living in the EU.

>>25535885 booming strats work wonders if you can pull them off though europe is more like the idling AI

>Russians poor and weak I sleep >Russians rich powerful with empire and hot Russian aristocrat femboys Real SHIT

Shouldnt haven walked into it when he knew trump and his journalists in open space it was over before it was over

>>25535841 They lost a lot of their 'on-paper' toys and severely depleted reserves though. Well, I guess it's like Soviet Union had the largest airforce in the world but 90% of it was shitty obsolete biplanes than made hundreds of Luftwaffe aces.

>>25535887 >fifth worlders who will soon establish African living standards within a generation or two of living in the EU. You are describing yourself waldi.

>>25535886 He is a jew, he is here to mine gavvah (the energy of suffering of living beings). So he is doing his job pretty well.

Inb4 Trump so butthurt he will fly AWACS over Black Sea and give Ukraine air data to Russian MoD

>>25535887 And meanwhile Russia's on track to become wealthy and powerful? Russia's future is a lot more bleak than Europe's. While euros are fleeing to the US and elsewhere, Russians are fleeing to whatever shithole will accept them, like Argentina or Georgia.

>>25535844 NO ist shows increased income and growing GNP, in complete contradiction to your NAFO misinformation statement.

>>25535593 >riding dicks Yep, as I thought, it is a Russian political school. >Turkey Turkey shot down Pidorashka plane, never apologized. It overthrew pro-Pidorashka regime in Syria and never apologized. There is nothing like "the diplomatic skill to ride 2 dicks at once".

>>25535900 How much govno does Putin get by mining the Russian biomass?

>>25535907 In rubles. Try denominating it a more stable currency.

So are we finally growing balls and leaving Yurop to settle its own problems? I sure as fuck hope so, we shouldn't the arbiter for these disputes.

I hope so.

>we shouldn't the arbiter for these disputes. If you are not, you will inevitably decline in terms of global influence, for power abhores a vaccum and someone else will take your place on the world stage. And then, you'll ultimately become what Europe is now. Simple as. Lrn2 geopoltics, Jebediah.

>>25535759 We can afford to abandon you, litel Yurop

but without american boots on the ground, who will crush and mass murder us again in the extremely unlikely chance gayrope becomes fascists again

Seeing as how they're our vassals, we have a responsibility to?

You just threw your global empire out of the window. gud jerb

NICE More billions for Israel now!

>>25535776 I wasn't aware we lived in feudal times and that we had vassals, I thought we had moved on from this..

Pretty nice, huh? I feel like more history has been this month than in a few years.

>>25535788 Well, you're aware now.

>>25535785 yup

>>25535766 You strike me like one of those type of people who also thought they could "afford" to just let millions of brown rapefugees into the country. It's the same kind of naivity at play here. Believing matters will just work out magically and have no repercussions whatsoever. Because... they just will.

>>25535812 > You strike me like one of those type of people who also thought they could "afford" to just let millions of brown rapefugees into the country. Germans?

>>25535823 Californians.

>>25535727 I agree with you here. Europe doesn't need us. They can handle their own problems

>>25535828 Californians may allow illegals in their cities, but at least they don't actively ship them from abroad like Germans do

>>25535845 Don't mexcriments get shipped to New York by the busload?

>>25535858 From other states, not from Mexico. And I thought we were talking about Californians.

>>25535845 Things are changing here. We voted more red last year than as long back as I can remember. I think immigration and crime had a lot to do with it

That was humiliation ritual set up by white bullies