Considering every single point here starts with a Jew, none of it is truth.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF protestant churches, that is, people protesting catholicism, were always bigger than orthoDOG churches

>>25526630 lol

why do protestants like sucking kike cock so much?

Jesus didn't left any scripture, he left a hierarchy Was this made by a catholic pretending to be neutral to mock others?

>>25526619 Now show the Coptic Church.

Your question assumes that there is an actual truth to be found. I'm not trying to be philosophically Platonic either. Your question assumes that there ever was a unified Christian message. Any serious unbiased acadaemic investigation into early Christian history shows us that there was a lot of noise and interefering intellectual pursuits among the early Christians. Even the label Christian is quite loaded, as a lot of the early Christians would have called themselves Jews. The invitation of the gentile into this Jewish faith was hotly contested as attested to by Paul. If you aren't an acadaemic bore, then you shouldn't concern yourself with what was ActuallyTrue. Believe in what you think is beautiful and fulfilling and nourishes you spiritually.

>>25526656 I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't even want to split from Judaism, but whatever

>>25526681 Jesus assumed all jews would become christians, and many did. But hardliners rejected him and became the modern talmudic jews

>>25526656 I guess that's just he protestant claim. >>25526657 Shouldn't it be included among the oriental orthodox churches? >>25526679 I'm fully aware it was all a huge mess, I just wanted to have a chat with Bernd.

>>25526681 he should have become a pharisee and a member of the sanhedrin and tried to climb up the ranks then

>>25526695 It's West of Jerusalem and was part of the Roman empire.

>>25526710 I'm breddy sure they included Copts in the "oriental orthodox". Also this chart is made quite in bad faith because the split between Roman Church and Orthodox is incomparably less stark than with the prots.

>>25526710 >the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria, is an Oriental Orthodox Christian church based in Egypt. >>25526737 >Also this chart is made quite in bad faith because the split between Roman Church and Orthodox is incomparably less stark than with the prots. Is it?

>>25526766 yeah, e.g., Orthodox-ministered sacraments are recognized as valid by Romans and vice-versa (not 100% tho), and the Orthodox are considered to still remain in apostolic succession by the Holy See

What is even true about Christianity, the central figure himself has scant evidence for his existence >inb4 the Bible barely any corroborating evidence >inb4 Tacitus 1 little mention and that's it

Why are they ignoring the Gnostics?

>>25526920 Isn't the Tacitus all but confirmed to be bullshit, like he was talking about something else entirely?

>>25526925 I don't know anymore this shit has scholars on both ends who can't agree on anything

>>25526924 Because if the church really has Gnostic origins and everything was based largely on Marcion, its would brand YHWH or El blind idiots and the Christ a prophet from a higher station.

>>25526695 >oriental orthodox churches? nope, the Coptic church is much older and seperate

>>25526679 true, "Christian" is not what Jesus called his followers nor what they called each other until loooong after the apostles

>>25526619 now show me Mithras

>>25526619 >who is the closest to the actual truth here? Gnosticism. Reality proves it.

>>25526924 Gnosticism wasn't really a unified movement like the other branches of Christianity, and they were constantly wiped out by the Archons and their minions the Church because they were such a threat.

>>25526953 Makes the most sense. >Why is creation like this? <Because God was a jobber nepobaby

>>25526940 shitty plot, told ya!

>>25526962 It's a bit more complicated.

the council of florence destroyed the orthodox church, they accepted to be absorbed into the catholic church. the orthodox church that came after this is the neo-orthodox church led by a patriarch appointed by the ottoman sultan

>>25526955 it was not unified because they were completely retarded, either turbo lunatics having orgies or extremely isolated and monastic but also crazed lol. only Marcionism was somewhat organized but it was still totally retarded and made up with no basis in anything just demon worship and "secret knowledge" made up by a few schizos

What actual truth, exactly? The original Jewish fairytales? Then the Jews.

>>25527016 >just demon worship Do you have proofs of such an accusation?

>>25527016 >turbo lunatics having orgies >demon worship That's literal catholic church propaganda. And they use this same slander for all beliefs they want to destroy.

>>25527020 The Bible was regarded as 'the Truth' for centuries and was fought over and killed for, it's such a powerful book despite its Jewishness.

>>25527032 > if you don't believe in my fairytales you're edgy ok

>>25527021 what do you think "archons" are? or any angel named by them that was not in the bible or anywhere else? would you believe if some rando came to you and said he has secret knowledge to get into heaven and told you to make sacrifices to a certain angel that you never heard of before and was not named in any scripture? >trust me bro just use the passcode I will give to you and do a blood offering and two orgies consecrated to the angel Oc'thuggdog archon-vassal of the greater one and you will go to heaven for sure

>>25527033 >The Bible was regarded as 'the Truth' for centuries How many people in all these centuries followed at least the ten commandments?

>>25527030 they literally have books naming archons and explaining them lol

(Apocryphon of John, Nag Hammadi Codices II, III, IV) "And the rulers (Archons) created seven powers for themselves. And the powers created six angels for each, until they had 365 angels. And these angels created parts of the human body." Each Archon was responsible for a different body part: Athoth – Created the head. Harmas (or Earmas) – Created the brain. Kalila-Oumbri (or Galila) – Created the right eye. Yobel (or Yabel) – Created the left eye. Adonaios – Created the ears. Cain (not the biblical one) – Created the nostrils. Abel – Created the mouth. Abrisene – Created the tongue. Yobel – Created the throat. Armoupieel – Created the heart. Melceir-Adonein – Created the lungs. Belias (or Belial) – Created the stomach. Yaldabaoth (the chief ruler) – Created the spine and nerves to bind man to matter. "And they bound the soul within the flesh, making it forgetful, and placed it under the dominion of Fate." where the fuck is that even from? someone just made that stuff up about some demons

>>25527046 >>25527064 You're retarded. The Archons are the bad guys of Gnosticism, those who help the Demiurge in keeping us imprisoned. They create the physical body (the vessels in which our souls are trapped) in order to imprison us, not to help us out.

(Apocryphon of John, Nag Hammadi Library) Yaldabaoth’s Claim to Divinity "Now the ruler (Yaldabaoth) had great authority, but he was ignorant of the power of the One. In his madness, he declared, 'I am God, and there is no other beside me!' But in his arrogance, he did not know the higher realms." The Creation of the Archons "Then Yaldabaoth created for himself rulers and authorities after the patterns of the immortal realms. And he said to them, 'Come, let us create worlds and heavens.' Each one was assigned a domain to rule over." The Twelve Chief Archons and Their Creations Athoth – Created the first heaven with great luminaries. Harmas (or Harmozel) – Created the second heaven, placing stars. Kalila-Oumbri (or Galila) – Created the third heaven, making firmaments. Yobel (or Yobel-Sabaoth) – Created the fourth heaven, forming the moon. Adonaios (or Adonaios-Sabaoth) – Created the fifth heaven, shaping the sun. Cain (not the biblical one) – Created the sixth heaven, fashioning the planets. Abel (not the biblical one) – Created the seventh heaven, governing the orbits. Abrisene – Created the stars and constellations, setting them in motion. Yobel – Established the cycles of time and seasons. Armoupieel – Governed the waters and the abyss. Melceir-Adonein – Controlled fire and the light of the sun. Belias (or Belial) – Ruled the depths of the underworld, holding dominion over chaos. The Seven Planetary Rulers "And Yaldabaoth created seven rulers over the heavens, setting them in orbits, binding human souls to the cycles of fate." Their Corruption "But they were foolish and arrogant, and they delighted in power. They enslaved the light, trapping it in the world they had made, so that they might rule over it."

>>25527042 >I dismiss the chance to find actual wisdom in a collection of stories spanning thousands of years because of retarded interpretations some fanatic or deluded people made.

>>25527070 No they were not you stupid brown subhuman, they were openly worshiped and received offerings, gnostics were either nihilistic and embraced all the archons and other demons openly and worshipped them or monastic with other secret knowledge and celibacy vows, how can you even spend time searching up about that sort of thing but you are so stupid you don't even know this? unironically kill yourself

>>25527090 >unironically kill yourself >t.archon

Everyone. But generally speaking Catholics changed the dogma and so they diverted from the common Church. So, Orthodox have deeper roots. Still they also changed a lot with time.

>>25526953 >rap music >anime KEK

>>25527090 Are you even capable of comprehending what you are reading? The examples you've listed so far have explained that the Archons created the world, but nothing about them being deserving of praise or that they received offerings. >they were openly worshiped and received offerings Point to a single instance within Gnostic scripture or within history that they were praised and worshipped. They were always treated as negative forces.

>>25527128 Holy shit you are dumb. There are hundreds of historical records both before and after Christianity about gnostics and their demon worship, the actual texts containing the actual needs and deeds were literally burned to ashes due to being so repugnant and disgusting for the time, which is also recorded. I was just providing examples about how they just made up random stuff on the spot since the deities they are talking about or whatever they did was not spoken of by anyone or anything at any time before them. They were treated negatively WHICH IS PRECISELY WHY THEY WERE WORSHIPPED SINCE GNOSTICS WERE DEGENERATES there are thousands of historical records of gnostics orgies, enforced celibacy, blood sacrifices, sexual deviances. This shit even managed to survive through the centuries and there were calixistine masses with naked priests in 1400 due to adamists, gnostic bullshit from the 200-300's, which is obviously completely retarded and made up since there's barely anything about adam and the garden of eden in any canon book to begin with so they would just claim secret knowledge made up anything and do whatever the fuck they wanted without any basis in anything

>>25527173 >There are hundreds of historical records both before and after Christianity about gnostics and their demon worship, <but OOPS all of these records mysteriously went up in flames so uh no evidence for you hehe :^) I'm sorry for sincerely believing that you were genuinely serious. Mea culpa. You are the piss-drinking Dalit of Dalits. See you next incarnation, retard.

>>25527173 Even THE CHINESE hated gnostics. And they were pagan. They reported the exact same as the western societies did, demon worship, sexual deviance, interchangeably with extreme celibacy, societal deviance. Manichaeism evolved from christian gnosticism, it was precisely this and was hunted down to extinction in china, they were known exactly as demon worshippers and vegetarians in chinese

>>25527187 Are you mentally ill? The records are there you fucking retarded shitskin, they got rid of the rituals and cults of these demons precisely so no one would do those things, there are independent reports from CHINA showcasing the exact same things about the same group of people, do you think the chinese government was in a conspiracy with the Catholic church too to destroy gnosticism you dumb shitskin?

>>25527193 >Even THE CHINESE hated gnostics. Source?

>>25527379 Search up about Manichaeism in the east brainlet, I ain't your bitch

Orthodog is correct in the timeline from the original jewish heresy.

honestly who gives a shit, if you seek God he will reveal himself without all this doctrinal garbage

>>25528011 >if you seek God he will reveal himself without all this doctrinal garbage You should be a comedian.

>>25528018 hehe thanks

>>25526619 If you read the church fathers it's obvious the Orthodox church keeps the traditions from 300 AD most closely while cucktholics and their heretics either dropped them or invented new ones. They even changed the Nicene Creed lol.

>>25528034 >the Orthodox church The eastern or the oriental ones?

>>25528034 What would a Ganesh-worshipping gypsy from New Utter Pradesh (Rahova, Bucharest) know about such matters?

>>25528047 I was thinking specifically of the Eastern one but I think the Oriental one does too, they just disagree about christology. Also they have less icons.

>>25528049 Indeed what would you know about it, niggerhands?

>>25528055 Why do you keep insisting that ROMAnians are white? Nobody's gonna believe you lol

>>25528057 Romanians being white is a fact not a belief.

>>25526940 No, it seperated in 451, the same time as the other oriental churches, like Armenians.

>>25526920 The talking snakes and burning bushes.

>>25528062 Let's just pretend for one second you are right: All of KC is making fun of you because of your obsession. The more you screech about being white, the more meme graphs you post, the more people are laughing at you, making fun of you and calling you brown. Don't you comprehend this? The only thing you're accomplishing is 72h shit post binges in which you try to unsuccessfully convince people that you are white.

>>25528073 >>25528083

>>25528092 I mean what's your personal end game here? People keep making fun of you. Even more if you claim this nonsense. One day you will be found dead in front of your computer. The 'lac-induced "ROMAnia is white thread" 404ed a month ago (it's how long it took people to detect the smell between cow dung and solvent factories), hundreds of bottles which container solvents at some point stacking up on your desk and floor. An India pride flag with a swastika nailed to the wall above your PC screen. Your body will be brought back to the Ganges for a last swim and you will be flushed alongside shit and chemical waste into the Jeet ocean. I'm not even exaggerating here. I've seen you on 96 hour 'lac binges, posting four days and nights about the alleged whiteness of ROMAnia whilst clearly being a brown gypsy from India.

>>25528073 >the more you say X, the more the opposite is true! This is from the same line as "Hitler was a jew" or "homophobes are actually homosexuals". No wonder, you're quoting a literal kike.

>>25528106 Why do you have nigger hands tho?

>>25528108 Seriously, what is your end game?

>>25528110 Seriously, why are you so brown?

>>25528117 So you don't have an end game. You will just continue pretending to be white and people will continue making fun of your measly existence.

>>25528119 I'm not pretending.

>>25528120 You're never going to convince anyone here. Why do you even try?

>>25528130 Sorry to hear about your schizophrenia

>>25528132 I'm being serious: Why are you trying to convince anyone when people A) don't believe you anyways B) know you are right but keep making fun of you for trying

>>25528150 >A) don't believe you anyways Why, are they clinically retarded? See >>25528062 >B) know you are right but keep making fun of you for trying Why, are they clinically retarded?

this could have been a good thread but then browndan had to turn up

>>25528167 Is browndan the name of your niggerhanded gypsy friend, gypsy? Because he's the one that derailed it. I actually posted information >>25528034.

>>25528172 misinformation did you come at him btw?

>>25528150 Because it's the truth.

>>25528180 No, it's factually correct. Cucktholics changed the Nicene creed (Filioque), introduced universal clerical celibacy, pews, among other things, not to mention they have graven images. The counter reformation itself is proof of modification.

A very simple example is baptism by triple immersion, prescribed by Saint John Chrysostom (c. 300 AD), still done by Orthodox, ignored by cucktholics, who baptize by sprinkling (aspersion).

>>25528197 You are a failed copper thief/street beggar. Your color is brown and your home is India.

>>25528220 I am a white European man. You are a brown tranny from thailand.

>>25528243 That's not you. That's a German/Hungarian/Slav. Romanians are short little brown people, like you.

>>25528252 That's another Romanian, like me. >German/Hungarian/Slav >wearing the Romanian flag in Romanian folk costume posted by a Romanian Orthodox website The estrogen is getting to your head, you brown tranny.

>>25528337 so if 2 million indans come to romania and wear a romanian flag will they become romanian?

>>25528342 No, which is exactly my point.

and yet again gypsy derails whole thread, great job guys

>>25528377 So you agree that >>25528049 is a gypsy, because he derailed it, ROMAn cucktholic named ROMA.

>>25528150 A better question is why you derail threads when it's clear you'll never gaslight me and I've outlived all my detractors here.