we will exist forever, have existed forever, suffering forever

>billions of years before it's like a couple of billions - no that long >billions of years after not so sure here why do you think so?

Well, no, that's not accurate. To say that there were billions of years is basically starting cause and effect at the beginning of the universe (as we understand it.) The beginning of the universe, while giving us a metric with which to count the passage of time, was not the beginning of cause and effect. The "time is dictated by entropy" thing is sort of misunderstood pop-science. Technically, there was forever before you born, and that's an open problem.

>>25480730 I thought there was a finite start to the Universe

>There were billions of years before where we didn't exist source: soyence

trust soyence

>>25480747 the big bang from which our cosmos emerged happened about 14 billion years ago but we have basically no idea wat came before that, time may stretch infinitely far back

>>25480747 There is an accepted model which accurately puts things back into a central initial condition, but it can say nothing of a precondition. Needing entropic disordering to "create" the arrow of time would mean the big bang could never occur. What entropy actually does is identify the arrow of time. You still needed prior condition A to precede result B, and that existed before the big bang.

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You guys seem to conflate the time of universe with the time of WHATEVER before YOUR birth. You dont need to think in terms of universe years, how long did it exist before you - doesnt matter, you were nonexistant forever before birth, or at least what we can say we are unaware of any existance before birth, there might be, but not to our awareness

>>25480574 If tomorrow I forgot all of my previous life, why does it matter if it existed? If everyone else also forgot it, how is it different from if it never existed? Spin this apple for me

>>25484629 so your thesis is that, only memory contributes to the feeling of I? In my opinion this is wrong, because the I, consciousness, observer is needed to be aware of the present in order to create memories in the first place it will still be >you but without memories

It literally is that simple. I just woke up as this random person. I will cease to exist one day but its no problem as I wont be able to experience it. In this way you can only exist forever. Low IQ's can't comprehend it because it requires some serious abstract thinking machinery in your head to look past the ego.

>>25484644 but this assumes materialistic physicalism which is challenged by OP

>>25484636 My thesis is that it doesn't matter if it can't be remembered

>>25484650 there is no reason to assume otherwise

I don't see what this has to do with materialism or atheism. You could be an idealist theist and believe you didn't always exist.

>>25484605 >you were nonexistant forever before birth This guy gets it. Its a subtle issue with profound implications.

How is this a hard concept for brainwashed NPCs to grasp? There were billions of years before computers as well, now replace computers with you.

>>25487408 >were billions of years before and before that?

>>25487417 Just more time without the existence of computers.

>>25484644 >I will cease to exist one day but its no problem as I wont be able to experience it. Typical nigger logic. "Future nigger will take care of it".

>>25487422 How much time? If its an infinite amount of time, how were we able to define a moment of coming into existence? A literal forever can't be said to have passed because by definition, it does not "pass."

>>25487435 You don't see the difference between an infinity and a moment? Spare me the sophistry.

>>25487449 Oh, I absolutely do. A moment is delineated; It has a beginning, the substantial stuff of the moment, and an end, otherwise its just an infinity. Anything clicking yet? damn, I'll come back some time when the captchas get removed

>>25487507 Good. Leave.

a moment is impossible to define

>>25487507 >A moment is delineated; It has a beginning, the substantial stuff of the moment, and an end Not if it's infinitesimally small like dt