>>24905126 Russia playing by US and EU rules, especially financially.

I for one would like this war to end, that way we can hopefully start buying cheap gas from the poccnr

why not?

I don't think wect is prepared for war

russia is like an assburger Bernd, playing autistic map games except in real life the west is feminized ie woman, therefore like women, western leaders got the ick from autistic sperg russia and now the incel must be made to tough grass simple as

>>24905168 You are memeing but wect's attitude is very passive-aggresive and woman-like

>>24905171 exactly sanctions are like the 4b movement and joining nato is like choosing the bear instead of the man

We must secure the existence of LGBTQIA+ people and a future for black children

>>24905190 Rather I mean the approach towards the question, which usually is trying to "shame" russia for whatever it does instead of a pragmatical approach And the constant taunting and provocation, like a woman going inch by inch to see how far she can get away with things

historical role of moscow is enslavement of slavic tribes. russia is boogeyman of globohomo > On 4 November 1794, Suvorov's forces stormed Warsaw, held by Józef Zajączek's troops, and captured Praga, one of its boroughs (a suburb or the so-called faubourg). The massacre of 12,000 civilians in Praga broke the spirits of the defenders and soon put an end to the Kościuszko Uprising.

>>24905168 True.

Wect didn't want to fight poccnr and even on the contrary had been trying to avoid a straight confrontation because it needs cheap resources. But when they saw that poccnr is able to start a real big war in Europe they try to make it weaker by destroying military potential by Ukrainian hands. Literally, if putler did nothing in 2022 everything was alright.

Revenge! Revenge the enemy! With God! and even in spite of the God!

>>24905246 i understand you're butthurt about that time when double penetration with germany

>>24905252 Revenge is must have. It has to happen. It is the matter of honor!

>>24905252 What do you think about this historical video, my friend?

>>24905272 lol I get it's a reference but hava nagila doesn't work here does it

Russia is gommunism and gommunism must be destroyed. Even when gommunism looks more like dictatorial oligarchy, is still gommunism.

they want our resources

Putin chased away all competent people as they spoke bad news to him in 2008. Because of that the country started to rot. Putin's position started to weaken. Putin was afraid of losing power so he attacked Ukraine. Putin knew there were American interests in Ukraine, so he basically attacked American interests. He did it intentionally to turn West hostile. He needed that to scare Russian citizens. He want that to isolate the country and became a new Kim. That's all. As for could West act differently? It could. And it did. It didn't turn completely hostile in 2014. But Putin kept building a tyranny in Russia. And still West did nothing about that. And Russian elites started to seek a way to get rid of Putin. This is why Putin started the war. As for why did the war make reaction from West so harsh that was for two reasons: - because of COVID the popularity of existing elites in West started to decline so everyone was more than happy to find a way to divert public attention to foreign affairs; - Putin also openly threatened a lot of European countries in Russian TV and through Russian propaganda; so it was impossible to not show a strong reaction. tl;dr: Russian tyranny is at blame. It could be different. I might still turn different if Russia dispose of Putin and all his collaborators.

>>24905272 >In 1819, Major W. Lukasinski, Prince Jablonowski, Colonels Krinzanowski and I. Pronzinski founded the National Masonic Society, whose members were about 200 people, mostly officers; after the prohibition of Masonic lodges in 1818. Masonic lodges were banned in 1820, it was transformed into a deeply secretive Patriotic Society. > At the same time there were secret societies outside of congressional Poland: the Patriots, Friends, Promenists (in Vilna), Templars (in the Volhynia), etc. The movement had especially wide support among the officers. > The Catholic clergy also supported the movement; only the peasantry remained aloof from it. My-my, secret societies stirring shit on wect again. Never has it happened yet there you have it

Quick fun fact: absolutely nobody in WECT gave a shit about Russia until Crimea happened. Russians could have lived happily in their mafia-state shithole and smoke krokodil etc. It was only rushit inferiority complex flaring up that made this happen.

Because corrupt, inefficient, tired old wect needs to oppose something even worse to justify its existence. Poccnr manages to out-corrupt, out-incompete and out-aggress wect, therefore poccnr has to go.

>>24905374 You were supposed to believe that the desintegration of USSR was a real thing, but not really. Is that understandable?

>>24905126 >What is the final goal? TZD and Suomi border with South Korea.

>>24905374 Yeah. It was a natural flow of things. Most eastern european countries had bad experiences with ruskies in Soviet Union. One after another they wanted to join EU and NATO. But Russia was solidly indeoendent. Putin could have shilled in his megamansions with EU and NATO being at its borders, maybe developing an attractive counterculture to eypand eussian influence, but no. The emperor got megalomania and paranoia.

>>24905391 It is.. for Russians. But people in former Soviet Union felt otherwise and you didnt realize. Even Belarus had to supress calls for the West after Lukashenkas reelection. Its not done by dissidents or foreign agents. People dont want Russia because it cant offer anything better. The soviet union had an ideology at least, communism with the promise of equality and prosperity. But Russia doesnt have anything.

>>24905126 infinite ressources wect is extremely butthurt that Russia didn't stay the new Congo after 1999

the real reason for the war is the controlled demolition of USSR was carried out with the understanding that russia would be an equal player in the NWO anglo-semites renegged on their deal and now putin is playing hard ball in order to get what was promised for him and his oligarchs andropov, yakovLEL and putin are part of the same faction seeking a better deal there are factions in the USA that want to honour the deal, and there are others that would rather dismantle russia and turn it into many sissified republics to use against china this is why putin constantly attacks nationalists, constantly attacks russians, continues to do the bidding of the IMF, israel, WEF and so on he wants to show he can play by the rules but is willing to show he is capable of causing big problems if he and his oligarchs don't get their way you cannot look at the way they have conducted the SMO without this viewpoint If the West interferes, it will be a big deal If the West sends weapons, it will be a big deal If the West sends Abrams, it will be a big deal If the West sends Himars, it will be a big deal If the West sends missiles, it will be a big deal If the West sends planes, it will be a big deal If the Ukrainian Armed Forces bomb Russian territory, it will be a big deal If the Ukrainian Armed Forces enter Russian territory, it will be a big deal If the Ukrainian Armed Forces enter non-new Russian territories, it will be a big deal If the West allows its missiles to be fired deep into Russian territory, it will be a big deal *you are here* If the West sends troops, it will be a big deal If the West transfers nuclear weapons to Ukraine, it will be a big deal If Ukraine makes and uses nuclear weapons, it will be a big deal he is waiting for the trump faction to cut a peace treaty - no matter how unfavourable, in the meantime the 'dismantle and annhinilate the russian people' faction is in power in washington and will do anything to escalate before trump

>>24905417 The problem is that Moscow destroyed everything Russians created several times. But you can't build a proper culture without centuries of refinement. And for those centuries to happen the culture, at lest in core, should be preserved. Yet, Moscow several times destroyed everything. Russians actually had nothing. This is why the only way to not feel bad about themselves was to believe into some bullshit fairy tales about "greatness of Russia in the past". Hence that stupid nostalgia about "good times" that never happened. Other Socialist countries either had their culture preserved in some way - like Poland, Czechia, Baltic state, or were very young and didn't need any "grandeur" to feel good about themselves - that's Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and some others. There's only way way for Russians to simply survive: they absolutely need to destroy Russia and break it in such small pieces than neither could call itself "Russia" anymore. Either Russians do exactly that or they might go extinct by 2050.

>>24905458 You said: 1. Putin and oligarchs are happy to sacrifice people in Russia and the future of Russia for better treatment for themselves. 2. America is against Russian people. Then which one? I mean, if America were dead set on genociding ethnic Russians then they're allies with Putin in that regard. And if America is against Putin then it makes it the best ally of ethnic Russians as it gives them chance for survival. I think there's some inconsistency there in your reasoning.

>>24905421 West was OK with Russia till 2012 - till Putin showed his tyranny in open. Nobody believed that other guy was a real politician but West was ready to bear with Gray Cardinal Putin. Not with an African Monkey Tyrant Putin though.

>putin want to fight wect that's reason enough

>>24905487 >You said: >1. Putin and oligarchs are happy to sacrifice people in Russia and the future of Russia for better treatment for themselves. >2. America is against Russian people. >Then which one? >I mean, if America were dead set on genociding ethnic Russians then they're allies with Putin in that regard. >And if America is against Putin then it makes it the best ally of ethnic Russians as it gives them chance for survival. >I think there's some inconsistency there in your reasoning. i don't see the inconsistency anywhere? i'm also having trouble parsing your comment why would those two arguments be at odds with eachother? yes, putin and oligarchs are happy to sacrifice russians and the future of russia for better treatment of themselves yes, large faction of US deep state has ethnic animus against russian people the point is you can't be an oligarch if your state is dismantled sissified and auctioned off to US megacorp this was the whole point, USA will aid dismantling of USSR provided oligarchs are permitted to control their areas of influence oligarchs cannot control their area of influence if the USA is meddling and renegging on deals, which is what they did with the 2014 CIA backed colour revolution in ukraine

But the wect didn't want to fight Russia. They thought they can maintain friendly relations and just do business as usual, slowly showing Russians that they don't have to act like rabid dogs in order to be respected. And then Russia did the funny. Literally nobody in the wect believed they're gonna invade

>>24905461 Yeah. Exactly. And basing your demands on how it was in the past doesnt work out for the aspiration to be an or form an empire. The Roman Empire crushed its enemies with advances in military technology and brought innovations of which some are still relevant today. The Spanish and Portuguese Empires revolutionalized maritime commerce and ships. The brits and french brought the industrialization to the globe. The German empire excelled in sciences. But the Russian Federation? Name some movies or musicians which have gained international meaning since 2000, Painters? Wrigers? Ttechnological advances? Nope, the US invented everything since the 80s. New filosophies? New political models? China is more sucessfull with that. Russia doesnt offer anything attractive to join it.

Skynet runs the whole planet

>>24905374 of cause, but why did Wect care about Crimea so that to start the war?

>>24905525 Bitch please. The common american couldnt even mark Russia on a map. America is money, and for a long time Russia was an enemy because they didnt want to share in murricas interest. Murricans dont care about russians since they live in the greatest countries of all. The NATO even changed officcialy the focus on China instead of Russia, because they deemed China as a stronger opponent for the 21th century. Russia stabbed itself believing its own prooaganda about novorussia and that everyone wants to be part of their empire. Christ, they even thought Ukrainians would welcome them as liberators.

>>24905584 because russian controlled ukrainian mafia and the mafia in donetsk and luhansk were replaced by US controlled mafia ((zelensky is the frontman)) at behest of US deep state around 2012-2014 this is problem for russia because USSR dismantled itself with understanding that these territories could be exploited solely by them

>>24905584 Because it showed a breach of international law with militaey forces, and seeing the history of Russias invasions, it was clear that Putin wouldnt stop at Crimea.

>>24905608 > it was clear that Putin wouldnt stop at Crimea. where else he would not stop? Every other countries he allegedly should invade next are in HATO

i never understood why wect would ever want to fight Russia. KC tier claims about wect wanting to invade russian clay or getting what ever the fuck there would be, never make any sence. Russia is just some wasteland, there is nothing we want from there. /truth

>>24905538 You speak nonsense. Russia isn't a special country to West. And how exactly West treats its colonies where Western corps are extracting resources is well known. The best example, literally the best, would be Chile: Western corps extracting resources there without any care about what will happen when the resources got depleted. In spite great, by South America standards, GDP the income disparity was so severe that general population lived no better than in other Latina American countries. Clearly, you can't create any successful business when the market is too small. So all capital forming in Chile simply was invested in other countries, while Chilean market lived from imported products in exchange for the money Chile got from resource extraction. Such economy was unsustainable and had no future. So, Chine started slowly turning its economy toward better wealth distribution. And it immediately caused decrease in foreign investments in Chile but couldn't prevent Chilean capital from getting drained. What will happen with Chile in the future is unclear. But what is clear is that people in Chile hardly benefited from such "friendship". Considering that Chile export annual revenue per capita is around $5000 and Russia's highest annual export revenue per capita was $3500 it's clear than even with Chilean model - the friendliest model West can offer - Russia would be so poor that that it wouldn't be able to continue its existence: they would simply have not enough money to support the police and military and all the necessary military industries to keep Russia's borders safe and keep Russia stable internally. So, "colonial friendship" in case of Russia is tantamount aggression. But it doesn't particularly matter as Putin and Russian oligarch don't give a fuck about Russia's safety anyways.

>>24905624 It was obvious at that time that he would attack Ukraine again. Crimea was a red line which rusttled many western jimmies, because undermiming international law is a menace foe the existing world order. With lots of diplomacy he probably could have kept it at some point without further interventions, but he did in fact attack Ukraine again. And now its over.

>>24905630 it is about competing systems of control for the creation of the NWO wect has a vision of a unipolar NWO with its locus in washington USSR had vision for unipolar NWO with its locus in moscow USSR was convinced that dismantling itself and converging with washington NWO was best deal, this was carried out primarily by andropov, yakovLEL and now putin wect has decided to reneg on deal and further sissify the russian state by turning it into mish-mash of tiny republics russian oligarchs know this is a threat to their model of parasitisation on russia and naturally resist it that is all this war is a spat between jewish oligarchs in russia and jewish oligarchs in wect

>>24905641 > It was obvious at that time that he would attack Ukraine again because wect wanted to weaponise Ukraine agains Russia

>>24905649 Can't those Jewish oligarchs simply say they will let Russian oligarch companies to keep doing whatever they're doing? In the end those Russian oligarchs or their kids will move their capital to West anyways and then will either marry into Western elite families or will sell their companies in former Russia and then will live like all other reach people - by managing the wealth rather than running a business. Why can't they go that way?

>>24905655 In that case it would have been strategically wise to wait for an attack from Ukraine. Because then the UN couldnt approve the resolution that anyone can help Ukraine (the resolutions are only for countries defending themselves) and Russia could have mobilised the entire army and take Ukraine while the west could only watch.

>>24905655 >because wect wanted to weaponise Ukraine agains Russia source: my post-soviet ressentiment and inferiority complex

>>24905678 >Can't those Jewish oligarchs simply say they will let Russian oligarch companies to keep doing whatever they're doing? >In the end those Russian oligarchs or their kids will move their capital to West anyways and then will either marry into Western elite families or will sell their companies in former Russia and then will live like all other reach people - by managing the wealth rather than running a business. >Why can't they go that way? because there are factions within jews too - its not a monolithic entity with same values there are wecternised tech jews, chabad lubavitch jews, liberal jews etc etc they all agree jews should be the one to eat the carcass of the world but some want the juicier parts for themselves and when they find themselves in a position of power they are willing to express it they all want NWO with jews at top, some think russia should be dismantled into small republics now so they can totally pivot to china - which is still SOMEHOW a rival of russia despite shared threat of wect - and some think best use is united russia as a battering ram against china from north thats all it is oligarchs in russia see further splintering into republics as big threat to buffet model one faction of oligarchs in wect see splintering as feeding frenzy other faction of oligarchs in wect see opportunity for chinese sissification

you know when war is over

>>24905714 Russians don't comprehend what laws and agreements are.

The warmongers got super pissed off after 4 years of trump not starting any wars so they just couldn't control themselves

>>24905737 > putin is a western three-letter-agency agent and russians with deep anti-Ukrainian and anti-western sentiments are just paid actors and mercs Weird take, but ok

>>24905714 the attack from Ukraine would be like: Ukraine is joining HATO, Russian fleet should leave Sevastopol Putin took Sevastopol before this would happened

>>24905775 > stop leasing your territory to foreign state > attack nigger

>>24905721 Still, isn't it better to become rich people and probably even being invited into some respectable families than rotting in North Korea like shithole, losing all the money, and eventually getting robbed when the state weakens too much? You see, unlike North Korea which is a natural mountain fortress, Russia has no geographical defence, and it's too big to be defended with China's help. Russia cannot hope to stay isolated forever like North Korea: as soon as technological disparity grows big enough Russia won't be able to prevent invasion or even to enforce order in its territories when rebels got modern weapon supply from abroad. Why can't Russian oligarchs simply be happy from being rich and then try to nurture their kids into becoming part of Western elite? So, 1. What's the point for Russian elites in sacrificing wealth and themselves for a futile struggle? 2. What's the point of not letting Russian elites to gave in and relocate to West? I still can't quite see the motivation behind both sides' decisions. Even if there are some groups hoping to keep Russia existing it's not like after they finish with China Russia won't be in the same position it is now. And what's the point of keeping Russia whole if Russia would be too weak and poor to actually press China in any way and Russia being miserable and insignificant but friendly with West would be the best propaganda for CCP to stop any dissent in China.

>>24905775 >Putin took Sevastopol before this would happened And now NATO is closer to russian border than it could ever be.

>>24905787 Do you think such things never happened between European countries?

>>24905802 Baltic countries were already in NATO though.

>>24905787 green text and insults are not an arguments >>24905802 This is not an arguments either. I see harkach has poisoned your brain

>>24905815 Yes, and now NAFO can block Baltic fleet, attack bomber and submarine bases on Kola peninsula and destroy St. Petersburg and its population.

>>24905819 Sorry, I am not interested in your coping. It's clear that your NPC program couldn't handle such input and went haywire.

>>24905828 They always could. This is why Petersburg shall secede asap: it's too dangerous for those people to be a part of the same country as Moscow. I don't know why Petersburg is still Russia. They all can die at any moment only because Moscow has some beef with NATO. What those people there are hoping for? It's not like Moscow can or even want to save them.

>>24905834 You just wrote some cliches from harkach it’s not like there is some reasoning behind your posts

Both USA and Russia want to keep us down and exploit us. They were both involved in destroying Germany's energy independence. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar. Being an American colony we have to finance your shitty war over who gets to exploit us. >>24905272 Imagine being a Christcuck.

>>24905236 >Literally, if putler did nothing in 2022 everything was alright. Indeed. All this geopolitic situation reminds me pic related. "West wants war" is just Russia playing the victim. We are not even in war economy, we spend more in military but not that much. No cringe TV shows showing how we could nuke Moscow on a map like in Russia. And most importantly, we value life more than in Russia, if we had as much casulities as Russia for a conquest war, it would be already over. The imperialist/colonialist era is over for almost 1 century already here.

It's gay goy vs traditional goy.

>>24905272 >betrayal It's wierd how there is a propagated notion of anyone owing any allegiance to Russia ever.

>>24905882 If we stuck a deal - you and I and you promised me something, and when I gave you what I promised, but you tried to flee with it or even take more - what is that? Sure, the deal was forced. But from Czar's perspective it was a breech of contract. Also, you owe Russia some allegiance: Ukrainians were allied with Russia to get protection from Poland and Tatar slave raider. Russia gave it to you. More than that, Ukrainians under Russian rule multiplied tenfold - at the same rate or even faster than Russians, while Ukrainians left under Polish rule went extinct. On top of that Ukrainians under Polish rule were second-class subjects with barely any rights. While under Russian rule Ukrainians had more rights than Russians themselves. And also Ukrainians under Russian rule were allowed to preserve their ethnic identity and their language - which Ukraine didn't let Russians living in Ukraine do, btw. So you, Ukrainian, owe Russia a fucking lot. But you're an ungrateful swine with no decency, no integrity, no brain, and no knowledge of your own history. Now, scram, scum.

>>24906011 >Sure, the deal was forced. But Lel, all you need to know about russian planning and cognitive capabilities.

>>24906011 You are stuck in the past like a grumpy grandpa and you wonder why eastern Europeans look at the West.

>>24906041 The laws are also forced upon you. So you don't have to obey the laws? You're clearly a nigger. Hey nigger, if I made a deal with you and bought a piece of bread from you and then paid you money as promised would you proceed with robbing my house? I bet you would. Because you're a stupid nigger. There are a lot of forced deals. Especially in politics, in relations between countries, border treaties, and laws - those all are deals people are forced to obey without ever being asked if they want to be a part of a deal. But you're such a nigger that you can't understand how civilization works even if it's explained to you clearly and explicitly like right now.

>>24906080 Scummy people prefer to forget everything they have to respect after getting everything they could for their benefit? Colour me surprised.

>>24905126 >It’s understandable why putin want to fight wect It's obviously not that obvious to you, Russia and the West have the exact same motives for fighting each other, if you saw that you wouldn't need to post this thread. >but why wect wants to fight Russia? What is the final goal? Maintaining and expanding the Western sphere of influence, duh.

>>24905875 Le both sides, amaright fellow intellectuels?

>>24905126 >What is the final goal? No bullying on our turf

Elite minorities run the society of niggercattle

Things will be better soon again

>>24905236 >Literally, if putler did nothing in 2022 everything was alright. Oh guess what, if burgers did nothing in 2014, everything would have been even better.

>>24905126 The final goal is to turn us into a colony with cheap resources, which they tried several times by now. What interests me are Putin's motives, since he very obviously tried to join in on le western civilization, only to get slapped. But at the same time, he's building almost the same shit as them, and I do not get just what is his problem.

Niggers aren't free you know, they cost money.

>why wect wants to fight Russia Was there even such an issue? When?

West doesn't want to fight Russia. It wants to stop Putin's Neo Soviet Union plans before they reach NATO area. If his Ukraine Blitzkrieg idea would have been a success he would possibly have tried land to make a land connection to Königsberg or attack Baltikum.

>>24906780 The escalation. Cutting Europe from Russian resources, and cutting grain market from Russian grain was achieved with the sanctions in the first months of the war. Further escalation was meaningless. Yet it happened and keeps continuing.

>>24906843 >land connection to Königsberg What a great idea to landlock Baltic countries! Surely nobody would be against that. Yep.

TBH, the West doesn't seem very motivated to even defend itself. Video related, the feminine west vs Russia.

>>24906855 The problem is that it's really not so clear whether and how NATO would defend the area. Major NATO countries could in such an extreme case argue that it's not really worth a world war. That's why they don't want it to come to that point in the first place.

>>24906852 >The escalation. Escalation is when nigger swings with nuclear rocket demanding everything for himself. >Cutting Europe from Russian resources, There was clear demand to stop war. How is this escalation??? >cutting grain market from Russian grain Everyone in europe does that against everyone

>>24905126 You attacked so we have to defend ourselves.

>>24906753 Oh guess what, if pidors in the early 2000s hadn't started pouring millions into the puppet party and their puppet TV channels, poisoned our president, and rigged the elections, everything would have been even better, 2014 wouldn't even have happened.

USA is now selling weapons like never before and got all the European LNG market all to itself. And Ukrainians are willing to die to the last standing hohol. It's only win after win.

>>24906760 >The final goal is to turn us into a colony with cheap resources, which they tried several times by now. You was already colony producing not cheap resources for 30 years and you were ok with it. >What interests me are Putin's motives, since he very obviously tried to join in on le western civilization, only to get slapped. Russia was done with western civilization when shot parliement with tanks during eltsin. >But at the same time, he's building almost the same shit as them, and I do not get just what is his problem. How is KGB regime is similiar to anything western? What is western in there is in Russia?