so, if America basically plans and wants to just abandon Ukraine and let r*ssia do whatever it wants in Ukraine, europe, post-soviet space etc. either way, then what is even the point of any talks with r*ssia? what are they talking about, what are they discussing? american position on international politics is basically - we dont care what happens with anyone anywhere, we will just live the next 4 years like if the rest of the world doesnt exist, which is as good a policy as any other, and i'm not arguing the merit of it, but i just dont understand whats the point in talking to anyone then. like, talk about what?
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 15:39:27 GMT
No. 25493918
Secret superpower which putler discovered, and trumpler seen him use, and also wants to use now. It is called:
>What are you going to do about it, bitch?
Well, what?
>escape
Thought so
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 15:47:06 GMT
No. 25493948
>>25494036
US can get russia to get ukraine in exchange for dropping its support for iran so US can BOOMB it
They did the same with Libya in 2011, asked Medvedev for consent before boombing libya
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 15:49:00 GMT
No. 25493954
>>25493908
We can only make pure guesses.
Some speculation I have seen:
- Get poccnr agreement/support for American claims (Greenland, Canada, Panama Canal)
- US-poccnr friendship against China
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 15:52:10 GMT
No. 25493968
>>25494044
Trump wants Ukraine to have a cease fire so Russia can recharge and attack again in a bit, without the strong leader Zelensky at the helm
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:08:16 GMT
No. 25494036
>>25494049
>>25493948
why would US care for Iran when US has "America first" policy. also if America wants to wreck Iran it doesnr need to negotiate with anyone, it can just wreck it
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:10:58 GMT
No. 25494044
>>25494047
>>25493968
Zelensky is a strong leader? you think it makes a difference who is the leader of Ukraine? i mean, wouldnt any leader in place of Zelensky be strong? i dont think there's any other option other than being strong when you're a leader of Ukraine in this situation
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:13:00 GMT
No. 25494047
>>25494044
Zelensky has the star power and appeal to get weapons from EU
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:14:59 GMT
No. 25494049
>>25494063
>>25494036
One reason US didn't mess with ir*n in the 2000s was because it had russia backing it
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:17:12 GMT
No. 25494056
>>25493908
>what are they talking about, what are they discussing?
Mutt subhumans need russia as an ally in upcoming war with China. Or at least make russia neutral.
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:19:06 GMT
No. 25494061
>>25494063
why are you so focused on politics
you're literally 80iq low functioning lebron, you have no ability comprehend it anyway
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:20:20 GMT
No. 25494063
>>25494100
>>25494049
what does r*ssia backing it mean? what will r*ssia do, especially in its current state? r*ssia had its pipeline blown up and did nothing. i'm not arguing, i'm genuinely wondering
>>25494061
i dont know
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:22:46 GMT
No. 25494069
>>25494140
>what is even the point of any talks with r*ssia?
Trump promised to deliver piss
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:23:11 GMT
No. 25494071
what makes you think you have the brain capacity to understand such matters?
These people rule the world and what did you achieve?
I swear, the arrogrance in some
learn to stay in your place
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:30:05 GMT
No. 25494100
>>25494136
>>25494063
I forgot the name, but there's a school in international relations that believes that superpowers are entitled to their spheres of influence and you shouldn't be messing with other great powers' sphere of influence
Iraq 2003 and Libya 2011 invasions were both done with Russia's green light, but US couldn't get the green light on Syria and Iran from them
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:36:12 GMT
No. 25494136
>>25494100
Russia is not a super power sweetie
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:37:22 GMT
No. 25494140
>>25494069
i dont see how talks without Ukraine and where basically America just agrees that Ukraine should just surrender unconditionally can bring peace soon. i mean, even if the US and r*ssia decide that Ukraine should just de facto surrender, Ukraine would just disagree and keep fighting with whatever resources they will be left with for a considerable time
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:49:34 GMT
No. 25494203
>>25494237
>>25494250
Putin sells Russia to Trump.
The deal, as of now, goes as following:
- Putin may turn Russia to North Korea
- then Putin may destroy all culture and civilization in Russia, including basic literacy
- in the end Russia should be brought to the state of Mujaheddin Afghanistan by Putin's death or soon after
- in exchange for letting Putin do that Putin must give all the concessions and rights for mining in Siberia to American companies
- also Putin must let American consumable products to Russian market to siphon currency from Russia and to destroy Russian newborn domestic industries
tl;dr: Trump lets Putin to turn into the ugliest tyrant Pol Pot tier, but Putin should ensure destruction of Russia and should give or prepare for easy take all the resources and coastline territories of Russia.
Trump understands Putin better than anyone in the world.
Putin is a pathetic stupid coward living in fear of even his own advisors if they're a bit more sentient than him.
Ad the same time Putin wants to secure his power - again, mostly out of fear what will happen to him when he loses that power.
So, Trump simply takes everything from Russia and destroys Russia without antagonizing Putin.
It's an extremely smart move.
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:56:50 GMT
No. 25494237
>>25494203
the problem i have with this is that Trump's offers and promises are only good for 4, maybe 8, at most 12 years, and everyone knows that
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 17:01:23 GMT
No. 25494250
>>25494203
what is the end goal of Putin hmm
Bernd
Sat, 22 Feb 2025 17:07:13 GMT
No. 25494267
>>25493908
>implying america ever card what happens with anyone
America may help if it benefits it
Wake up call for EU to not be dependent on imported security.